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Offline Rich46yo

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« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2008, 10:04:18 AM »
Actually if you put the same stick in the spit and the LA-7 I'll bet the Spit would win. The LA-7 has some serious deficiencies that can be exploited. If you can slow the thing down and get it in a turn fight any 1/2 decent turn fighter will beat it. It doesnt really love speed as much as the P-51 and you have to be careful managing your E when diving in it or your going to end up a lawn dart. The LaLas stick feels like a lead balloon at high speeds when diving.

                      Its a very good climber but again if your climbing against a good turner he can roll out of the climb faster then you can react. Yes the LA-7 is fast but if someone dives on you in a lesser airplane he can get up on you before you flat speed bleeds off his "E". The LA-7 also has a nasty stall.

                      Gunwise the LA-7 sucks. Snapshots are very difficult because with angle shooting your always losing sight of your enemy. And its not a very stable gun platform. Nor does it have much range. Nor does it carry meaningful ords.

                       This just isn't an airplane that deserves to be perked. Actually the one airplane it seems to stackup well against is the 190.
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« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2008, 10:24:09 AM »
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                       This just isn't an airplane that deserves to be perked. Actually the one airplane it seems to stackup well against is the 190.


Maybe but its very nasty to P51'S if they get low and how do you get out of that one. The only answer I have been able to come up with is "dont get low".
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« Reply #62 on: February 12, 2008, 11:35:37 AM »
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...and you have to be careful managing your E when diving in it or your going to end up a lawn dart.


There are many planes like this, particularily the Russian and Japanese planes as well as the 109's and P-38 series.  Use manual elevator trim (up) to overcome the compression effect.  You can gain as much as 100 mph in a dive.  Don't forget to re-trim once you're level or climbing again (I usually flip on auto pilot (level or auto climb) or hit combat trim momentarily to re-set trim).
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« Reply #63 on: February 12, 2008, 04:22:13 PM »
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Actually if you put the same stick in the spit and the LA-7 I'll bet the Spit would win. The LA-7 has some serious deficiencies that can be exploited. If you can slow the thing down and get it in a turn fight any 1/2 decent turn fighter will beat it. It doesnt really love speed as much as the P-51 and you have to be careful managing your E when diving in it or your going to end up a lawn dart. The LaLas stick feels like a lead balloon at high speeds when diving.

                      Its a very good climber but again if your climbing against a good turner he can roll out of the climb faster then you can react. Yes the LA-7 is fast but if someone dives on you in a lesser airplane he can get up on you before you flat speed bleeds off his "E". The LA-7 also has a nasty stall.

                      Gunwise the LA-7 sucks. Snapshots are very difficult because with angle shooting your always losing sight of your enemy. And its not a very stable gun platform. Nor does it have much range. Nor does it carry meaningful ords.

                       This just isn't an airplane that deserves to be perked. Actually the one airplane it seems to stackup well against is the 190.


Given equal pilots the la-7 should beat the spitty pretty easily...

At stall speed the la-7 is about a dead heat turn wise with the spits...acceleration is almost even and the lala has significant edge in speed and climb...
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« Reply #64 on: February 12, 2008, 04:24:27 PM »
La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.
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« Reply #65 on: February 12, 2008, 04:36:17 PM »
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La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.
It does.
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« Reply #66 on: February 12, 2008, 04:41:25 PM »
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La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.


Erm, one possible exception. I'd think the Mk XIV should be more than a match at its designed alt.
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« Reply #67 on: February 12, 2008, 06:03:59 PM »
A dweeb plane is defined as any aircraft flown by a dweeb.
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« Reply #68 on: February 12, 2008, 06:04:33 PM »
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"dweeb plane", in this context, is a term used by people who need to excuse away (from others) and deflect (from themselves) their lack of skill when dieing to the "dweeb" plane.



Yeah, it's a lot easier for a player to blame being shot down by a dweeb than having to admit they died as a result of their own inept flying.  Players like that will never progress beyond the mediocrity level as they will never learn from their mistakes.


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« Reply #69 on: February 12, 2008, 09:06:31 PM »
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You may have missed the bit about just liking certain aircraft and flying them (nearly or completely) exclusively. :aok



Trust me you will want to try other stuff at some point, i did only 2cs and nikkies in december and january, now im doing f4u-1....
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« Reply #70 on: February 12, 2008, 09:41:12 PM »
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Erm, one possible exception. I'd think the Mk XIV should be more than a match at its designed alt.

In AH1 I once took about 5 minutes to drag an La-7 up to 25,000ft while flying the Mk XIV.  Had to throttle back to keep him interested and hopeful in bagging  a perk plane (cost 50 perks then).  Once at 25,000ft I went to WEP and turn on him.  It became very obvious within 10 seconds that the La-7 was in no way a match for the Mk XIV at that altitude, I got around on him within two turns.  He immediately put the nose down and headed for the thick air.  I managed to hit him with a single 20mm or .303 at about 800 yards.

Which is one reason high alt planes do badly in AH.  It takes a lot of work to drag somebody up to your combat altitude, or to escape to it, and only seconds for a low altituded tuned fighter like an La-7 or Spitfire Mk XVI to escape to their playground.
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« Reply #71 on: February 12, 2008, 10:45:47 PM »
I admit it, I'm a dweeb. I fly pretty much any plane that takes my fancy, but am generally found in either:

Spit V
Spit VIII
Spit IX
Niki
Lala 5/7(which, perversely, I fly like a spit - go figure)

Fly what you like, when you like - the aim of the game is to have fun - dont worry what other people fly, thats the beauty of this game, beat em in their rides (if you can (which lets me out..lol - I admit to being an easy kill as well))

Just my o.o2p worth, ymmv,

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« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2008, 05:51:43 AM »
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La-7 should beat all Spits pretty handily.


                I dont find the LA-7 a premier turner. Then again maybe Im just such a newbie in fighters. Or, for lack of a better term, a newbie Dweeb. Or, even worse, a newbie LA-7 Dweeb.

              I do know I try and keep the Dweebmobiles fast. And should a energy fighter like a 190 or Pony come low, and make a mistake staying low, I try and run them down. The LA-7 does stack up pretty well turning against these kinds of planes. I know the zeros can make you look silly. Unless they make a mistake and go vertical.

             Disclaimer is I dont really know what Im doing. Ive only flown fighters for a few weeks. But Im having fun screwing up and that's all that matters.

             Its really fascinating the Dweebmobiles are modeled as they are. They kinda feel "rough" just like the actual Russian planes did.
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« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2008, 09:29:57 AM »
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Dont like the expression but are the top 2 the La7 and Spit 16.

What comes after those 2. For me its the Yak and then Nikki


I dont mind an La7, a Niki or a Spixteen.

I mind 8 or more of them at the same time, all of which would naturally be piloted by individuals more than willing to expend every last round in their magazine to get just one ping.
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« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2008, 09:56:15 AM »
P-38 is a dweeb plane; it's just that good.

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