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Offline Krusty

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« Reply #30 on: February 08, 2008, 05:20:09 PM »
figures :lol

Now I can't wait for the LAs to be released (if only to get this ammo on the 109G-6!!!)
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« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2008, 05:40:38 PM »
Well, while the loading tables for the G-2 and some other documentation gives 200 rounds for the center cannon of the G-2 and G-6, at least in Finnish air force the normal load was 120-140 rounds.

After all it depends what source one wants to believe...
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« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2008, 05:44:09 PM »
However, the precedent has been set with other planes already in-game. The P-47 CAN carry 270 RPG with 6 guns, but it ALSO carried 350(whatever!) RPG with 8 guns.

Just because one localized group only used 120 rounds doesn't mean all the rest of them couldn't carry more, or didn't carry more.

The only reason I don't fly the G-6 more is the 150 round limit. I expect to use it more once we get this extra ammo.
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« Reply #33 on: February 08, 2008, 06:11:17 PM »
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Well, while the loading tables for the G-2 and some other documentation gives 200 rounds for the center cannon of the G-2 and G-6, at least in Finnish air force the normal load was 120-140 rounds.

After all it depends what source one wants to believe...

Who cares about the Finns?

...Just kidding...
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« Reply #34 on: February 08, 2008, 07:05:12 PM »
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Well, while the loading tables for the G-2 and some other documentation gives 200 rounds for the center cannon of the G-2 and G-6, at least in Finnish air force the normal load was 120-140 rounds.

After all it depends what source one wants to believe...


Cry me a river Gripen. :)
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« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2008, 07:50:16 AM »
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While on the subject of gondolas, can the speed penalty for gondolas also please be looked into. It's supposed to be 7mph (12km/h) instead of the 16+mph it is now.

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/me109g-16476.html
http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/me109/me109g-16476german.html


Bf 109g-14 and g-14/AS level speed performance with gondolas:
http://kurfurst.allaboutwarfare.com/Performance_tests/109G14_PBLeistungen/files/PBG14_LS_SNplusMW50.jpg
from:
http://kurfurst.allaboutwarfare.com/Performance_tests/109G14_PBLeistungen/Leistungen_g14u4_am-asm.html

Notice the g-14 with gondolas does 405mph at altitude (which I believe is what ours currently does without  gondolas.)



What alt?

I have yet to get a G14 OVER 380 at 16.5 K and from what I've read that's supposed to be it's best alt?  And it should do 408 at 16.5K?
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« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2008, 10:15:56 AM »
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What alt?

I have yet to get a G14 OVER 380 at 16.5 K and from what I've read that's supposed to be it's best alt?  And it should do 408 at 16.5K?



Check the third link I posted. There are 2 speed curves on one chart. The one with better low alt. speed is the g-14 and the one with better high alt speed is the g-14/AS. They are both equipped with gondolas as indicated by their weight and by the report in the 4th link. The g-14 with gondolas on that chart tops out at 652km/h at 5000m (~405mph at ~16500ft). Add 12km/h (~7mph) for a plane without gondolas and you get 412mph which is around what a clean g-14 could do at its best altitude.

Ours will do ~404 at 16500ft with no gondolas. With gondolas I believe it does around 390 at the same altitude.
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« Reply #37 on: February 09, 2008, 11:07:49 AM »
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Check the third link I posted. There are 2 speed curves on one chart. The one with better low alt. speed is the g-14 and the one with better high alt speed is the g-14/AS. They are both equipped with gondolas as indicated by their weight and by the report in the 4th link. The g-14 with gondolas on that chart tops out at 652km/h at 5000m (~405mph at ~16500ft). Add 12km/h (~7mph) for a plane without gondolas and you get 412mph which is around what a clean g-14 could do at its best altitude.

Ours will do ~404 at 16500ft with no gondolas. With gondolas I believe it does around 390 at the same altitude.


With or without gonds I can not get the G14 we have to even go 400 at 16.5K IF I take off and climb to alt then go level even with wep.

And even if I dive just abit and wep when I go back level the speed drops back to below 400?????

So please explain how you get it that fast and how long it takes.

Best I've done on wep without gonds is 380?
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« Reply #38 on: February 09, 2008, 12:06:52 PM »
Any chance you've got pressure on the rudder slowing you down? Funky trim? I've tested it before, got it past 400 before quitting, but this was some time ago.
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« Reply #39 on: February 09, 2008, 12:54:11 PM »
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Alright, I added optional 200 round loaduts to the G-6 and G-14, bumped the gondolas to 140 rpg and reduced their drag a little.:noid


looking forward to this update :)
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« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2008, 01:32:31 PM »
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With or without gonds I can not get the G14 we have to even go 400 at 16.5K IF I take off and climb to alt then go level even with wep.

And even if I dive just abit and wep when I go back level the speed drops back to below 400?????

So please explain how you get it that fast and how long it takes.

Best I've done on wep without gonds is 380?


The quick method:
Try using one of the 30k airspawns in the TA. Take a clean 109 (no gondolas or bombrack) and dive until you get to 16.5k. Level off and let your speed drop to 395-399, then hit WEP. You will accelerate until you hit max speed of somewhere around 404mph, which shouldn't take more than a couple minutes.

If you have a lot of time on your hands you can take off from one of the 10k fields, climb to 16k, level out, then hit WEP and wait until you hit max speed. Results will be the same either way.

I just did a quick check offline and the g-14 will do 400 or better at any altitude between 15k and 20k.

Edit: Be sure to engage autopilot once you level off and hit WEP to ensure that your plane is flying straight and level.
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