mn38

[Oldman731]

Originally posted by VonMessa
Heythere,

No offense to you at all, but. Look...... deep into my eyes.............and......... .

tell me when or if you find someone who gives a flying

This switching sides is garbage.  Take away the choice.  Once per round, heck even let em earn medals for it.  I know (if I am correct) that medals are  forfeit right now if you switch sides.

Hmmmm.

Do you think perhaps you're taking this setup just a bit too seriously?  We aren't awarding cash prizes to the winning team, nor are we executing the families of the losers.  Unless you're staff, you are restricted to one side's BBS forums, whether you switch sides or not.  If there's someone who is childish enough to play secret agent and report the best laid plans of mice and men to the enemy....how in the world is that a big enough deal to get people this upset?  More:  how can you find honest satisfaction in swarming the other side because you have 2-1 odds?

This setup has been running very well, drawing in new folks, and most everyone has been having a good time - and all the while, there have been people switching sides to even the numbers and make for a better contest.  All of them do it knowing that they have forfeited their chance to collect medals or awards, but they do it in hopes of improving the experience for everyone.  Classifying their behavior as "garbage" is grossly unfair.

Come on, folks.  It's a war game, not a real war.

- oldman

[crockett]

Originally posted by VonMessa
Again, where is the secrecy?  If not a member of forums, where does the loyalty lie?  

Mercenaries, eh?  Sell to the highest bidder.

But seriously, mission objectives given in the forum are invariably going to be vocalized on country text, range, etc.   Someone who is ...err....."neutral" has no incentive to either keep mum, or to spill the beans with wild abandon.  Bye bye surprise.  Forget feint tactics, decoys, superficial attacks, et al.  That kinda ruins certain aspects of gameplay as dictated by the arena setup.

Well if you are really worried about it that much.. Just think of it as another realm of realism to the game. In the war all sides had spys.

I can say when Thrilla was on our side not once did I see him give away any Axis secrets. Same as when I switched to the Axis a few times.. I know for a fact there is not one Axis whom can say I gave them any info on the Allies. I also know for a fact there is not one Allie that can say I gave up any info on the Axis when I switched back.

Just remember not everyone wants to be part of a hoarde. Hell I wanted to switch to Axis yesterday when Allies took A64 to help you guys out, but they talked me out of it. So I just went AFK for awhile until it was even again.

[WMLute]

Originally posted by captain1ma
and now for my 2 cents. I pick a side, i stay with it. i have not changed sides once due to imbalances. its like a condition of the game. sometimes we have enough guys, sometimes we're outnumberbered-- so what!! pick a side and stay with it. i dont know how many times ive been flying and will have a guy with me and then all of a sudden hes blasting me out of the sky because he switched sides. not my idea of fun. those of you who think you're doing us a favor by switching....dont. the axis can deal with anything that arises. we are a much stronger group of sticks, if we're out numbered, so much the better. we just rack up the points. if you feel you need to switch sides, go play in the MA. All switchers should be considered spies and be shot on sight!! hehehehe sorry just getting into the moment. anyway my advice would be to pick a side and stay with it. its much better that way. bad feeling are brought by switching. again just my 2 cents. have a nice day

(shakes head sadly....)

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
Because I'd rather forfeit a cartoon medal than forfeit the fun-which has already happened with more than a few people, who have come in and tried it, then left.

A side imbalance only encourages the 'dweeb' behaviour that many here have fled from in the MA. The hording. The vulching. The Milkrunning. Too many people on one side or another seems' to cause this. HTC realized this, that is why in the MA, there is an ENY.

Now, I know that this is a different situation than the MA, in here. However, to make this work, we have to police ourselves. That is both sides of the ball; I won't, and can't, condone MN38's behaviour. That is simply 'gaming the game', as-it-were. However, the reason that many have called this the "mini-MA" is noticably in those periods' when the side imbalance is the greatest. IMHO, this is the biggest issue facing the AvA right now

Originally posted by thrila
It may not bother you having overwhelming numbers and hording a base.  But to me it is rather dull.   If the numbers are significantly different i will change to the side with fewer pilots.  I have no affiliation with either side.  Ganging a con with 3 or 4 others isn't particularly enjoyable.

[1Duke1]

Actually, what I'd like to see is the Commanders have a little more control over their people.  If one side has a gross inbalance, then use some of the extras to fly supply missions.  

Two or three extra fighters is all that should be needed to take a base, not 10-12.  Take those extra dudes and have them fly supply missions to bring their bases back up to 100%.  

Now they shouldn't require them to do that all night, spread out the supply missions among everyone until the numbers even out, and then let them have at it.  It's all about force management.

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by thrila

Oh look, a mini MA.

CH 200 should be turned off in the AvA.

[humble]

Originally posted by republic
Oh but it is.

I was one of the goons you plastered.  The numbers had actually gotten better when you switched.  You knew the goons were feet dry and minutes from the town.  I was flying in a roundabout arc to get to the town away from the upped aircraft...then a lone con comes straight for me...lo and behold...

I'm curious if you looked at the film (actually you couldnt since i'm the only one who's actually downloaded it)? He upped to defend a field, not rocket science to "know" goons are inbound. I'd put the blame on your "CAP" not on the guy who killed you.

I'm amazed at all the garbage from guys who didnt even bother to view the "evidence"

He flew away from the goons to start, there was a 2nd spit as well and the 109's were poorly positioned to escort.

[republic]

Originally posted by humble
I'm curious if you looked at the film (actually you couldnt since i'm the only one who's actually downloaded it)? He upped to defend a field, not rocket science to "know" goons are inbound. I'd put the blame on your "CAP" not on the guy who killed you.

I'm amazed at all the garbage from guys who didnt even bother to view the "evidence"

It's just lame play.  He could have switched when the sides were grossly imbalanced.  He could have swapped then and fought us off before the town was down, before the field was soft...  But no, he waited until the goons were minutes away.  I don't mind someone swapping sides, but participating in a base capture and then swapping over just as it is almost complete is just immature....no film can redeem that.

I didn't post about this when it happened because I just added him to my growing list of players to avoid, and went on with life.  He's the one that brought his name up.  

It's not the end of the world, but we do need a timer to make sure that once someone picks a side they are somewhat dependent on it's survival.

I'd like to have the sides locked in at the beginning of each round but, I understand some people just want a good fight and don't really care about which side wins the war.  Nevertheless, at the very least we need a 24 hour timer.

[dedalos]

Originally posted by Larry
mn38 was on our side trying to sink a rook CV. About thirty minutes later I see a lone dot heading to TG7 that it about 75miles from the front line and maybe 25 miles off shore. Only way to know it ws there is if you were searching for CVs or if you did what mn38 did and switch sides. So I hop in a 5"er and see a set of B26s coming right for the CV. Killed them all but thats not the point. We need to do something about people switching sides and knowing stuff they souldnt. Few days ago some one was on our side and switched "because of numbers" which were like 11-5. About 2 mins before we said "ok two goons heading for A## is town still down?" When we get to the town the guy who switched knew we were coming and went right for us.

Lets have only one side.  That way everyone can have fun and we wont have to deal with any oposition, errrrr, spies  

Your horde could not take care of 1 guy?

If we ever do this "war" thing again I ask that the mods set time limit to that frame (one week).

Lets hope not:aok

[thrila]

ok, republic.  You are now entering a world of pure fantasy, there's no need to make things up to aid your argument.   At no point did i participate in that field capture, if you could dig up some film i would be pretty amazed, because it never happened.  I was up north defending a base against a cv, shooting down the same couple of guys and dropping torps until it no longer fun against a side with few players.  

Also, i switched sides when they were grosely inbalanced!  That was the precise point of switching sides.  Why would i switch if they were even?  My whole argument for switching sides all this time is because of the inbalance.  Have you even read my posts?  Watched the film?  looked at the screenshot?

[republic]

Originally posted by thrila
ok, republic.  You are now entering a world of pure fantasy ....

  Not quite sure how to respond to that.  I was there btw...  Maybe I wasn't...maybe I'm not really here now.  I'm so confused...

[republic]

Originally posted by Mister Fork
We can adjust the change-sides feature to the MA standard of 24 hours or 24 days -what ever you guys need.

At the very least 24 hours sounds like a good number.  What say ye AvA community?

[scottydawg]

Originally posted by republic
At the very least 24 hours sounds like a good number.  What say ye AvA community?

Seems like a good idea, until you accidentally switch countries to the one in the corner.  You know, the one with no planes or bases or GVs.

[republic]

Originally posted by scottydawg
Seems like a good idea, until you accidentally switch countries to the one in the corner.  You know, the one with no planes or bases or GVs.

Didn't think of that, that would definitely be unhandy lol

I assume you can't make a side unpickable or they'd have already done that.

[scottydawg]

I did that the other night trying to join some squaddies after having missed the whole 're-imagining the AvA' thing.  What's it set to now, like 40 minutes?

[humble]

From what I saw the sides were grossly imbalanced...

Here's my view...

The goons died for a couple of reasons...

1) the 109's were right with the goons. From thrilla's view he's just flying to the action, he cant see the icons till 2.5.

2) The goons had no combat spacing and were poorly flown. He got both goons in 1 pass with the 2nd being an immediate transition. Had the goons had proper spacing, flown any decent evasives at all and reacted to the threat the likely hood is one might have survived.

3) there was a 2nd spitty right there, even if thrilla hadnt have upped the other spit avoided a zeke and was seperately inbound and would have killed the goons (IMO) just as easily.

This was poor planning and tactics and it appeared that you were relying on your numbers and local superiority. Had the 109's and goons maintained proper combat spacing then thrilla would have been engaged well before he reached the C-47's.