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Offline john9001

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« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2008, 02:13:17 PM »
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Anyway, what I wanted to say is this:  I sure hope your gun collections give you comfort when the US goes bankrupt.


what you say? If we give up our guns the democrats will balance the budget?

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« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2008, 02:20:53 PM »
Heh, anti-gun nuts don't realize that the guns are precisely for the situations they're describing...  Yea, my guns will be of great comfort if/when the food riots start :rofl
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« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2008, 02:57:08 PM »
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Heh, anti-gun nuts don't realize that the guns are precisely for the situations they're describing...  Yea, my guns will be of great comfort if/when the food riots start :rofl
you missed my point... (or did you make it for me?)  All this talk about how the Reps are marginally better than the Dems just because they'll "let us keep our guns"...   I'm saying that keeping or not keeping our guns isn't going to stop the food riots from happening.  They make give us an edge when that time comes, but they won't keep 'em from happening...

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« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2008, 03:05:25 PM »
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Ya'll can probably guess where I stand on the "wasted vote" topic...  Suffice it to say, IMO you're being USED.

Anyway, what I wanted to say is this:  I sure hope your gun collections give you comfort when the US goes bankrupt.


I would like to point out, bs, that with our Deficits', technically, we are already bankrupt, aren't we?

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« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2008, 04:30:32 PM »
I'm not anti-gun, quite the opposite.  I fully support self-defense laws and being able to shoot intruders.  But lets play Devil's Advocate for a moment.  Even in the worst case scenario, not all guns will be outlawed.  Even Japan and Australia have rifles and shotguns.  But the U.S. will never follow suite.  Our constitution and special interests groups (NRA) provides for us to have weapons.

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« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2008, 04:42:35 PM »
famous last words, "it can never happen here"

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« Reply #51 on: February 03, 2008, 05:29:23 PM »
A vote for McCain is a vote for Ted Kennedy, as far as I'm concerned.
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« Reply #52 on: February 03, 2008, 09:56:51 PM »
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I would like to point out, bs, that with our Deficits', technically, we are already bankrupt, aren't we?
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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2008, 09:59:49 PM »
Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I would like to point out, bs, that with our Deficits', technically, we are already bankrupt, aren't we?
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« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2008, 07:19:29 AM »
Here's an idea.......

DON"T VOTE

It's a sucker's game. As far as I can recall, I've never looked back and thought to myself "I'm SO glad we got him/her into office, look at all the progress we've made". With the exception of one or two candidates that I've endorsed then forgotten about, it seems that every elected official I have ever seen voted into office has managed to somehow betray the platform they were supposedly elected to pursue. All the money, all the man hours invested for what? Simply to hire some scumbags who will do nothing that does not benefit themselves regardless of the commitments made to their constituency?

No, I didn't vote for Reagan, too young. Probably shouldn't have been allowed to vote anyhow.

Seems to me the one positive thing we got out of the 50's and 60's, besides rock & roll was the fact that activism works. The do not call registry act is a prime example. Elected officials know full well what we want from our various levels of government, they' re just not scared enough to provide it.

I wonder what our political climate would be if we collectively chose to cease denigrating each other for our political beliefs and turned that energy towards speaking our minds, LOUDLY, to those who we employ to serve our interests.

Maybe it's just too much trouble and not enough fun. It also bears the question of how we would select our leaders otherwise. I bet if we tried we could figure out a solution. We have proven amazingly adept at solving greater conundrums.

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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2008, 07:49:05 AM »
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They are constantly changing too-I don't think that any European nation has had the same system's in place for 200-300 years' without major changes. (Correct me if I'm wrong, please.)


true, but they al had the same theory. get rich and screw the prols. :)
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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2008, 08:15:33 AM »
subaru..  don't even try to equate the republicans with the democrats so far as gun rights go... you will lose every time...  every gun law.. every one that takes guns from citizens was thought up and brought forward and voted in by democrats.. the DC gun law was in for 30 years and put in by a democrat and has survived on democrats..   and democrat appointed courts...

Only now... under a republican has it been challenged..  the democrats are obsesesed with taking away guns.   They are insane about it.  It has probly cost them elections.. that is how insane they are about it.

The only way they took congress was all the democrats that got in all swore they are for a strong second amendment..  I believe they lied and will go along party lines tho.

As for the deficit..  what are the republicans spending on?

There are only two areas guys.. that is all we have left in this country.. one big chunk goes to defense and the other huge chunk (thanks to LBJ and the "great society") goes to social welfare.   putting out birdseed..  

You can spend it on either one and cut the other.. that is all the choice you have.

Republicans are spending on defense... that will get paid for.. we aren't paying for past wars.. they are paid for.  

What doesn't get paid for is social programs.. they grow and grow and grow and grow and grow...  2 million a year for braces for people of some eskimo tribe becomes 20 billion a year  in 10 years...  we are all paying a couple bucks a month (used to be a penny or so) on our cell phones so that little negro children in harlem can have porn on the internet...  it will be $10 a month soon enough..  

social welfare.. I have heard aqua regurgitate the pap that he has learned about an ounce of prevention...  about how all this pre and post natal care will save us all money..

Yep.. that is why food stamps and welfare have abolished poverty.. The easier some have life the more they waste any cash they get.   It is a rare welfare sucess story... welfare has created more problems than it solved.. it creates poor.. it makes young girls see getting pregnant out of wedlock as a viable lifestyle... a way to get out of the house and set up homemaking...

has abortion cut down on illigitimate births?  are we better off?   we have free abortions and the best birth control in history yet... look at the rate?

the democrat socialist utopia doesn't work.. it would work but people refuse to act like the socialists think they should.. they act like (gasp)... individuals!

I want no part of the democrat utopia... I don't want any of their free stuff... Oh.. I will take it.. hell I paid for it but....  I won't vote for it or them... ever.

The best I can hope for under democrats is to get back as much of the stuff they stole from me as possible... but I am middle class..  I will always get less back than what I put in.

And vouchers...  no democrat will ever allow you to choose.. democrats are about the teachers union not about choice or what is good for kids.

At the rate public schools are going we won't need to worry about anything because countries where the people cant read are third world countries..  democrats are making us a third world country with education.    At best.. we will be bilingual idiots.

I don't like spending on defense.   it has to be done tho..  but.. so far as social programs..  we would be 100 times better off taking the money spent on them and simply putting it in a big pile and burning it.   At least the debt would not grow.  

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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2008, 08:16:47 AM »
Here's an even better idea:

Do what you feel is right and don't let anyone else force their political ideology upon you....especially someone on a BBS.
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« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2008, 08:27:09 AM »
And.. the reason we are in the shape we are in so far as the deficit and the way the pie is cut up is because of democrats.  

The great society.. er.. the great socialism...  the way it works is.. we spend half our money on defense and the other half on social welfare programs (roughly  these are huge sums.

A democrat gets in.. he cuts defense... stops some war.. closes bases and lays off soldiers.. the savings is monstrous.. night and day.

Does he then just cut taxes and or.. reduce our debt?   of course not.. he now has this money to spend on social programs.. every hair brained scheme they can think of.. this time.. the pet is..  socialized medicine.

One problem...  the next war comes up.. the need for defense comes up..

Of course, by now.. the pie looks lopsided again.. 2/3 going to social welfare and 1/3 going to an almost dead defense industry..  we are still paying the same in taxes and the debt is still growing.. the social programs are growing in cost every year...

our soldiers go to war with nothing.. poor equipment etc.. everyone screams and defense is geared up again.. the sucker play continues..  

We build up defense again.   we go into debt and new fees and taxes are thought up to pay for the new pie with it's new and larger amounts.  We are back to half going to defense and half going to social programs and the same old sucker play goes on.

If we didn't let the democrats increase social spending then in times of peace we really would have a "peace dividend"  the your-0-peeans get away with their socialism because their pie looks a lot different than ours.. they don't spend on defense.. england has like the 26th largest military.  

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« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2008, 08:28:18 AM »
Thanks curval.. you are a good Ameri...  oops.. wait.. you aren't an American at all are you?

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