the wasted vote thing...

[Curval]

Nope...just as you aren't European.

[lazs2]

soooo I guess we are both happy?  

Hell.. I'm so happy I don't even go to your-0-peean BB's or play online your-0-peean games.

lazs

[Curval]

Yup, I'll happily shut up about American politics (which I do anyway for the most part) if you will do the same about European (which you certainly never do).

[myelo]

Originally posted by FrodeMk3
I would like to point out, bs, that with our Deficits', technically, we are already bankrupt, aren't we?

No. The technical definition of bankrupt is financially insolvent. Deficit spending does not equate to insolvency. For example, just because an individual takes out a loan to buy something doesn't mean they are bankrupt.

Now ... uncontrolled deficit spending is still bad, for the same reason it's bad for an individual -- interest on the debt.

And Bush gets a D at best for fiscal performance. He started with a surplus and ended with a deficit, because he lacked leadership and didn't have the nuts to veto all the pork the republican congress wanted. Not to mention he failed to address the social security and medicare problems like he promised. Problems by the way that will be much more difficult to fix for the next administration because of the deficit.

But we aren't bankrupt.

[FrodeMk3]

Originally posted by myelo
No. The technical definition of bankrupt is financially insolvent. Deficit spending does not equate to insolvency. For example, just because an individual takes out a loan to buy something doesn't mean they are bankrupt.

Now ... uncontrolled deficit spending is still bad, for the same reason it's bad for an individual -- interest on the debt.

And Bush gets a D at best for fiscal performance. He started with a surplus and ended with a deficit, because he lacked leadership and didn't have the nuts to veto all the pork the republican congress wanted. Not to mention he failed to address the social security and medicare problems like he promised. Problems by the way that will be much more difficult to fix for the next administration because of the deficit.

But we aren't bankrupt.

Ty, Myelo, for the explanation.

[bsdaddict]

But we aren't bankrupt.

that's why I said "WHEN" we go bankrupt.  We're not there yet, but we're getting close.  We're definitely living on credit though, and that usually doesn't turn out well...

every gun law.. every one that takes guns from citizens was thought up and brought forward and voted in by democrats.. the DC gun law was in for 30 years and put in by a democrat and has survived on democrats.. and democrat appointed courts...

so, you're saying no Republicans voted for brady or the AWB?  Or is that another compromise you're cool with?

I hear ya on the social welfare gripes too, Lazs.  But I'd like to point out that Social Security and medicare are currently much bigger problems than food stamps or braces for eskimos.   Food stamps ain't gonna bankrupt us.  Social security might, especially at the rate that obligation is growing...

[lazs2]

bsd.. social security and medicare are socialist programs..

As for the gun bills you cited.. it matters not if a few bad republicans vote for em or a few good democrats vote against em.. the bottom line is it is a game they play but...

The bills get passed or not along strict party lines.  

The individual votes are often just back room brokering for looks.  Someone is up for election so they let him look good on a vote they already have sewn up.

lazs

[bsdaddict]

Originally posted by lazs2
bsd.. social security and medicare are socialist programs..

no one's saying they aren't.  what do you want to do about them?  SS is going to bankrupt us within 10 years if we don't change something...

As for the gun bills you cited.. it matters not if a few bad republicans vote for em or a few good democrats vote against em.. the bottom line is it is a game they play but...

The bills get passed or not along strict party lines.

so they would have passed even if every Republican voted against them?

[AWMac]

I what? I got an endorsement?  Who the Hell is Bozo?

[bsdaddict]

That "bozo" is one of the 6 incumbent republicans who stood up and supported the "unelectable" Reagan over Ford in '76.  What a kook!

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lazs2
.. vote your "conscience" .. you cant really hurt me.. I can get by... I spent my life making sure I could.    

Just don't you dare... don't you dare act outraged and surprised by whatever a democrat pres with a democrat congress and liberal judges comes up with.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of outrage for the both of you ... and more ... even if the blue city vaporization fantasy fails to materialize.

[bsdaddict]

I debated responding to Mac's jab at Paul, figured he was just trolling.  Looks like I was right.  Make fun of Ron Paul, accuse him of being a racist, call him unelectable, ignore him, anything but challenge his positions...  Funny, that's pretty much how the media treats him too.

[balance1]

Originally posted by Speed55
Check your states voting record.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/

Republicans haven't counted in my state for the past 24 years.

So either way.. i vote for Ron Paul.  Then i vote for McCain or Romney, and a democrat wins anyway.

I voted for Dole, and clinton won.   I voted for Bush Sr. and clinton won.

I'm in the same boat speed here is in, NY sucks

[Speed55]

yep

[Arlo]

Originally posted by lazs2
bsd.. social security and medicare are socialist programs..

Social programs. No ideology required to participate. A perception of threat of one to complain non-stop about them is though ... it seems.

Voting and representation. Funny how those work. And if you come back claiming that's "socialist" .... well .... *heh*