Night Time Arena

[hubsonfire]

Originally posted by K-KEN
I am a little depressed that more folks have not come forward to help champion this cause, "Night Arena", because it is the only way I can see it being an option.

It takes a lot more to get something changed in the game than just spamming the bbs.

[MORAY37]

Originally posted by K-KEN
Sad isn't it.  (not being sarcastic either)
I think it's folks like you and many others who have "beat down" the "night" that it has those (few-if you like) supporters frustrated and cowering in their corners. (maybe from the last round of posts in the past)They do exist, and because people can't read what is actually said in this message and idea, they flare their nostrils, get their panties in a bunch and it makes them get stupid. Just because it says "night" doesn't mean it's going to be forced on you or anyone else that doesn't want it.

No one is asking or forcing this on anyone...  let me type it slower for you to understand.

N  o   o  n  e   i  s   a  s  k  i  n  g   y  o  u   t  o   l  o  g   i  n  t  o   i  t.

I guess no one really wants to "rock the boat". Even my squaddies are absent, but they all support it or like it. I am a little depressed that more folks have not come forward to help champion this cause, "Night Arena", because it is the only way I can see it being an option.
And I do respect those of you who do not want it, "the night", in your arenas too. That is cool with me and why I started down this avenue.



K-KEN
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KKEN,

There are competing schools of thought here.

1.  Purists. (I'm one of these) They want a historically accurate representation of the war. Those that understand that nightfighting, in WW2 was a specialized warfare, one that did not involve very much ACM and almost no single engine fighters.  Nightfighting was done by variants of twin engine or higher aircraft (Read P-61,Mossie,110,210,410 and even JU-88) either fitted with primitive radars or working around large banks of spotlights.  Bombers operated at night, working with PATHFINDER aircraft, although the weather requirements were incredibly restrictive. (read british logs on night ops WW2)  So, in order to make an arena work, you need an entire new planeset, along with modifications.  (That's not going to happen)

2.  Non-purists (you.)   I suspect that you may like some of the history, and have read about some of the night action.   Your score tells me you like to shoot down bombers, since a full 31.39% of your total kills are BUFFS.  It is natural for you to want to shoot them down, under cover of darkness.  You also want to hide from those pesky fighters out there that seem to catch you in the honeypot (BUFF formations) alot.

3.  People who just want whatever.  They don't care about history.. they just want to fly at night... it's their game and they want what they want, screw historical accuracy.


Night would be a fad, and it would fade quickly, except to those that run away from fights... or that exclusively rely on bouncing people for their kills.

Your single handed championing of the idea is admirable.  I simply don't see it as feasible.

[oldone]

i loved flying at night. i think last time i flew at night was ah1?

[toonces3]

what Moray said.

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by MORAY37
KKEN,

There are competing schools of thought here.

1.  Purists. (I'm one of these) They want a historically accurate representation of the war. Those that understand that nightfighting, in WW2 was a specialized warfare, one that did not involve very much ACM and almost no single engine fighters.  Nightfighting was done by variants of twin engine or higher aircraft (Read P-61,Mossie,110,210,410 and even JU-88) either fitted with primitive radars or working around large banks of spotlights.  Bombers operated at night, working with PATHFINDER aircraft, although the weather requirements were incredibly restrictive. (read british logs on night ops WW2)  So, in order to make an arena work, you need an entire new planeset, along with modifications.  (That's not going to happen)

2.  Non-purists (you.)   I suspect that you may like some of the history, and have read about some of the night action.   Your score tells me you like to shoot down bombers, since a full 31.39% of your total kills are BUFFS.  It is natural for you to want to shoot them down, under cover of darkness.  You also want to hide from those pesky fighters out there that seem to catch you in the honeypot (BUFF formations) alot.

3.  People who just want whatever.  They don't care about history.. they just want to fly at night... it's their game and they want what they want, screw historical accuracy.


Night would be a fad, and it would fade quickly, except to those that run away from fights... or that exclusively rely on bouncing people for their kills.

Your single handed championing of the idea is admirable.  I simply don't see it as feasible.

Well presented arguement. Thank you for that presentation.  You are actually supporting the idea that we are all different with different needs and desires and that is my point too.

I "hope" I am representing the middle-of-the-road, non-purists that fly here. Yes, 31+% of my kills are buffs, I guess, leaving 68+ % "others".  Hey, I like to mix it up. I have never been a real GV player until lately. I am not very good at it, but my stats may or may not show too... that I run vehicle supplies and field supplies a whole bunch (M3 and LVTs) !! I am a team player at times and a loaner other times.  I like flying buffs, but if you look at my plane list every month, I try and fly a lot of different planes at least on occasion. Been known to HO on occasion too!

I would probably tend to buff more, I can agree on that, but the night time fighter sortie is not out of the question, especially for defensive reasons ... buff attacks.

And #3
It's amazing that people use buffs as dive bombers, to kill GVs and all - certainly not a "purist" concept. Or bombing something and then bailing or Alt+F4ing.  I'd say the purist's are the rare breed here. Necessary for plane types and realism .... yet, we have folks flying with a mouse too.
Because I/WE may ask for a feature of the SIM to be enabled, realistic or historical, should not be of concern as long as we have inconsistancies acrossed the board. We don't know what HTC has planned in the future.
We are all "different and unique".

Thank you for your input, really appreciated too.

K-KEN
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[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by MORAY37
KKEN,

There are competing schools of thought here.

1.  Purists. (I'm one of these) They want a historically accurate representation of the war. Those that understand that nightfighting, in WW2 was a specialized warfare, one that did not involve very much ACM and almost no single engine fighters.  Nightfighting was done by variants of twin engine or higher aircraft (Read P-61,Mossie,110,210,410 and even JU-88) either fitted with primitive radars or working around large banks of spotlights.  Bombers operated at night, working with PATHFINDER aircraft, although the weather requirements were incredibly restrictive. (read british logs on night ops WW2)  So, in order to make an arena work, you need an entire new planeset, along with modifications.  (That's not going to happen)

2.  Non-purists (you.)   I suspect that you may like some of the history, and have read about some of the night action.   Your score tells me you like to shoot down bombers, since a full 31.39% of your total kills are BUFFS.  It is natural for you to want to shoot them down, under cover of darkness.  You also want to hide from those pesky fighters out there that seem to catch you in the honeypot (BUFF formations) alot.

3.  People who just want whatever.  They don't care about history.. they just want to fly at night... it's their game and they want what they want, screw historical accuracy.


Night would be a fad, and it would fade quickly, except to those that run away from fights... or that exclusively rely on bouncing people for their kills.

Your single handed championing of the idea is admirable.  I simply don't see it as feasible.

SO as to you 3rd statement I should just save me $15 and not bother since the "Gamers" have gamed the rants and the options to be a game not a sim, and have excluded the "Simmer" from the equation.

With people putting in more effrot to discount an idea I can't see it working either. WHat I see here

[FT_Animal]

OOps.v slip of buttons.


People claim the same people are working for it, yet I see all the same names working against it as in other cases. Total complete negative input from the same people who the idea does not even effect. It's the invasion of the option police.

There are just as many people in this thread (if not more) backing it as just trying to shoot it down politically gaming the idea out of existence. Very transparent in approach. It's not that some think the idea is bas as much as they just want to shoot it down, to be seen making the magic statement that does. When it doesn't effect people yet they are trying to shoot it down only tells me one thing, they will attempt to shoot down anything that isn't their idea or something they want.

If you would click the button to fly that arena, why waste time putting the idea down? IMO, some people just like to hear themselves talk, period, has nothing to do with the point.

It's a good thing some of yas aren't running the marketing for the game.

Like I said if the Gamer owns the game and they want and get what they want, then I'll save my $15 for a game that doesn't cater to the biggest cry babies, whiners and half-wits, or people who politically game a rant.

 That's how your statement sold me on the game. Good thing some of ya aren't in charge of marketing. Good thing I don't let people discourage me and run me out of a game, I'll send my $15 Monday out of spite.

[Messiah]

Originally posted by hubsonfire
It takes a lot more to get something changed in the game than just spamming the bbs.

For Bribes

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by Messiah
For Bribes

I have been saving...mmmmm a 12Pack for just that,  in case of emergency  

K-KEN
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[Modas]

K-ken -

Just because you're retired, doesn't mean you can come in here and stir the pot.  Geez.  Get off your night time flying thing already.

Its getting old...




I couldn't resist.  I'll go clean your sheep pen now.

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by Modas
K-ken -

Just because you're retired, doesn't mean you can come in here and stir the pot.  Geez.  Get off your night time flying thing already.

Its getting old...




I couldn't resist.  I'll go clean your sheep pen now.

Me own squaddie, comin' in here and spreadin a yarn!  I am not retired yet, just ain't working!  You could have said something nice!  

Where were you Squad night.... don't tell me you have a life!
After ya get done cleanin' the pens, ya might drop n gee me 50.

BTW, I put the red ribbon on that one to remind me, now that I am old and forgetful and all, that RED=R  ...  R stands for RAM.  Make sure ya put the ribbon back, in case MiG or CaptMike shows up!  

K-KEN
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[Hap]

Originally posted by oldone
i loved flying at night. i think last time i flew at night was ah1?

FWIW, 1st time I heard of AH was just before Air Warrior folded.  A squad mate said she'd gunned for a Lanc during a night mission.

My imagination was fired and I was hooked.

[DREDIOCK]

Originally posted by kilz
many of the people that commented on it on 200 this last year was also the ones that whined about the night time flying in the first place and was part of the reason we lost night time flying

I've said it before.
I'll say it again.

Those who claim they cant see at night. Cant see at night because they have their monitors incorrectly calibrated..

Night time in the game when you monitor is set up correctly isnt much different then dusk and dawn.
In some ways its even easier to see

But I guess setting up their monitors correctly s COMPLETELY out of the question.

I've posted this before a while ago.

You think your monitor is set up right?

I used to think so to.

Till I went here

http://www.photofriday.com/calibrate.php

Give it a shot.
doesnt cost anything
and you can always change it back if you dont like it
You'll be amazed at how much better everything looks.
Even when its not night

[Elfie]

Night time in the game when you monitor is set up correctly isnt much different then dusk and dawn.

I can't see well enough to hit my targets or sometimes even follow them at dusk/dawn much less when it's night. Yes, I have calibrated my monitor.

[NUTTZ]

That Purple dinosour show is only 30 minutes long, I guess you'll watch Tellatubbies, for the other 15.

NUTTZ

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hey, thanks for not being offended by the sarcasm.

My point is still valid. If there was a market for it, HT would do it. (G'luck...even if this was to bring night back to the MA's...I wouldn't affect me. I would just do what I did in the past, go watch TV for 45 minutes. )