Night Time Arena

[SWrokit]

The night time arena would be fun hands down.  Agreed, they don't want it, click on another arena.  I'm from the old school, Ken sounds like you are too.....enjoy some good ole fashion night time flying..........use it for what it's worth and the settings it was ment to be played.

Unfortunately, the arena will be invaded by those with less than honorable intentions.........Noobs, Milk Runners, and Score potatos.  While we're enjoying the natural invironment of night flight and operations, others will  look at it as "Easy Money".  Ruining it for others to the point you Have To reset your Gamma, just to survive.  Lose - Lose situation.

You find a way for HTC to remove "Gaming the Game" options........and I'll be the first to jump on the band wagon with you.

Salute
Rokit

[rabbidrabbit]

I don't see the harm in playing with some night settings in one of the MA's one night a week to get a feel for how it works under the new engine.

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by K-KEN
Thanks for the input NoBaddy,
Like I have stated, I wouldn't want to change any existing arena setting. This needs to be a completly new arena. Let them milk run or what ever, it's what they pay for too. They wanna join in the night fights, then katie bar the doors!! It's on!

Hey, thanks for not being offended by the sarcasm.

My point is still valid. If there was a market for it, HT would do it. (G'luck...even if this was to bring night back to the MA's...I wouldn't affect me. I would just do what I did in the past, go watch TV for 45 minutes. )

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
I don't see the harm in playing with some night settings in one of the MA's one night a week to get a feel for how it works under the new engine.

Well Rabbid,
That is not where this should go. It is not an option to "force" this on anyone. We need to offer them an option, like they already have with EW, MW and LW arenas. Titanic Tuersday may be such a test, but is that arena getting the needed results? I can't answer that with any certainty. It is basically one arena, like we had in the past, where the sides can be lopsided, but at least it is large enough that the hordes can't reset it.

Having a seperate arena, with it's own settings and plane sets and all would be the best option. Could it replace TT? No. That would affect everyone, no matter if it was an hour. HTC could add an arena, set it up and then basically forget it. It wouldn't change radically, except for terrains and the usual stuff they do now to the MAs.

Thanks for your thoughts though, we just need to NOT make it required of "anyone".

K-KEN
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[K-KEN]

Originally posted by NoBaddy
Hey, thanks for not being offended by the sarcasm.

My point is still valid. If there was a market for it, HT would do it. (G'luck...even if this was to bring night back to the MA's...I wouldn't affect me. I would just do what I did in the past, go watch TV for 45 minutes. )

I am not smart enough to be offended!  Adding a new arena would allow you to fly as you usually do, whenever you want and you can save the TV on TIVO   This should not take away from any other arena...none.

K-KEN
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[MORAY37]

Ummmm...
Just to point out...
Very few aircraft, percentage wise, flew at night in WW2.  (Read..no spits, la7's, 51's, N1K's... or pretty much any other single engine fighter of the war.)

As well,

In retrospect, very few AH'rs flew at night when we had it.  It was said before that 90% would log off when night came...(not good for business)  Those that did fly at night... just did it to sneak around and take bases they couldn't take before... (BS)


Don't bother with night... most really need to learn how to fly during the day anyway.

[Wolfskin]

Originally posted by Shuffler
What next.... heavy blizzard and skis

Why not?

[Wolfskin]

Originally posted by MORAY37
Ummmm...
Just to point out...
Very few aircraft, percentage wise, flew at night in WW2.  (Read..no spits, la7's, 51's, N1K's... or pretty much any other single engine fighter of the war.)

...

Don't bother with night...  

For once, I agree with Moray37.

Maybe a light northern hemisphere type dip in visibility (not the full dawn/dusk type thang Krusty mentioned earlier) would be nice just for kicks.

[smokey23]

very few Lancaster and B-24 or any other bombers divebombed Ground vehicles and cv's that doesnt stop them from doing it anyway in this game , Night would be a good option for those of us that like night flying and the inherent difficulty in shooting down other aircraft at night. KEN makes a good point that noone would be forced into anything and if pilots didnt want to fly at night they can go have there furballs in  the MA's LW or EW

[FT_Animal]

>IMO<

A existing community will have home for most.
A functioning community will have a home for everyone.
A thriving community will have inhabitants who allow others to have theirs too.

I think all parts of realism should be available somewhere, even if not all in one place.

An arena that rotates through daily environment settings could throw a bone to everyone at least one day a week. Like every Tuesday have 4-6 hour day-night cycles. A really bad weather day, A no perks needed day, a no dweebs allowed day etc... Leaving the rest of the arenas as they are. If you don't want day\night cycles in your arena, but still have a hankerin to have it back now and then,... you know that you can do it every Tuesday and get that monkey off your back. I think it would pacify many and also save on Kleenex productions. However the fact that some will death grip a persona that refuses to be pleased can get in the way of progress, now and then.

But then I'm a distant reborn newbie too. I could be missing a LOT Please use soft mallets. Last time I flew trees were flat, I crashed a lot, and some meanies shot me down, laughed at me, and called me poopy-butt,... more then once! It,.. it was horrifying and I think it emotionally damaged me. My machine just wasn't fast enough to dazzle them with my pure brilliance. So I stumbled and crawled into the sunset to heal. I could have died ya know.
 
I finally have a machine that will pull the train . And I want you all to know right now. I have compiled over the years away my all time favorite oldie-moldy aimless rants, blame shifting theatrics, and self-serving excuses all pre-canned, ready, and waiting. As soon as the scars are healed and I start winning in off-line mode I'll be in here looking for yall. Targeting yus whiners first.

In case some of you forgot, let me remind you,... it's all about >"ME"<.

Seriously, Me thinks an arena that rotates environments or realisms would give something to everyone every now and then without tampering with the norm.

It may or may not be my #1 choice, but I would like the *option* to fly a day\night cycle (online) once in while.

Animl (of the IknownotwhatIsay tribe)

[SWrokit]

Originally posted by Wolfskin
Why not?

U mean there's no one that can remember the rain squalls.  OMG, u'd be flying the next thing u know your in the middle of a rain storm, no vis

As an LTAR, the gv battles at night were great.........u could hear, but couldn't see (black out){until it was too late }.

Like I said earlier, total black out the way it was, no I'm not much for.  But even if that ment the moon was up all the time, giving a little light  Pizza map at night was the bomb  (AH I days)

[angelsandair]

Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
What i do not understand, is why HTC will not simply make a night time server, that works the opposite with its time, as our mains do now.

we get light, dusk,dawn .repeat.
hey should get dark,dusk,dawn .repeat.



Scratch that itch everyone loves so much.Dont like night time? dont join the night server.


Is it 3Am in the morning, feal like a night flight or early morning flight? join the midnight arena. Also think about how many night time squads operated in wwII, willing to bet the boys/girls of aceshigh would have fun making new night time squads.

The biggest gripe people have, is cheaters turning the gamma/brightness up, that can be fixed by making all models the (far range dot)we see, untill you get say 1.0k away or closer, then it changes to a model you can see/shoot.
To stop people from exsploiting even that, make no icons untill 1-2k out.

1:All planes no icons untill 1-2k
2:All planes are long range dots untill at 900m or closer.



Do that and it doesnt matter how bright there game is, they still wont be able to hit or even judge range of target.
Problem's solved.

Things wouldn't work if the no-icons till 2k out was implied. These whiners would just use that as an excuse to get rid of it. And if they brighten their gamma, so what. The people that do that are probably the ones who are completely against it (most). Now here is what i would do:

1. Make all icons visable at 6k like normal.
2. Make them slightly harder to see until 1000m away.
3. Honestly, during night at Christmas, i could see fine, i think leaving things normal like during christmas would be good too.
4. Put up an arena message saying "If you turn up your gamma to 'cheat', then dont play this arena"
5. No matter what, people will be doing it and people will be whining about it.

My opinion.



~1pLUs44

[kilz]

it could be an add on like the AvA arena HTC would just have to get some folks to help take care of it.

[Elfie]

When we had night time before, tons of people logged off when the night time came. I was one of them. I don't think it was 90% that logged, but the numbers that did were very significant. I probably wouldn't have hated the night quite as much if it didn't happen during prime time every single night. I still wouldn't have liked it, just wouldn't have hated it quite as much.

Many of those that stayed on, stayed on simply to grab as many bases as they could while the night-haters were off watching tv or doing household chores or whatever.

People will turn up their gamma to defeat the night effects. Heck, I turn mine up to defeat the dawn/dusk effects. I simply can't see well enough during dawn/dusk to hit my targets unless I turn up the gamma to 1.3. So yes, I despise dawn/dusk as well.

[moot]

One of the things that worsened the night "problem" was that AH time skips dusk through dawn as well as was running at 1:1 pace, which made AH time out of sync with real time; which made it unpredictable unless you had good memory and could do operations in your head very easily - to find out whether it was night in the MA without logging in to see for sure.

And even if you knew whether it was night time, it meant that you had a not negligible chance that AH night time coincided with your free time to play the game.  

Now that we have two LW arenas, it could be possible to enable night in one or both arenas, so arranged that there was the least chance possible for any player to find night in both arenas, whether at the same time or one after the other.  So the best arrangement would probably be to have both arenas rigged to always be 12 hours apart.