Night Time Arena

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by Gixer
Actually I read all of them and replied to that one. And this is such a dead horse of a subject but like Subs it seems to come up every few months.

Hillary whats that got to do with the price of fish?


...-Gixer

Then I apologize for thinking you stopped there. Seemed so.

Night time is an old topic, a NEW ARENA supporting it is not.  It will not affect anyone in the other arenas, it will be it's own entity.  A dedicated Arena, like Special Events, or AvA.  If you came here to be negative, just leave it alone.
We know your opinion and you will not have to fly there. The other arenas will remain as is. Intact, no change.  Post all you like, on some other topic.
If you want to make a constructive post or idea, then have at it.

You can post all you want here, I just think it doesn't do the cause any justice. Your mindset is not very open to others and change. This is a new idea on an old subject, that was a part of this SIM long ago. I don't need to explain it, you read all the posts.

Thanks for your opinion. I just don't need it here.

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[ridley1]

Actually, IIRC, some Bf109 flew  at night over Berlin. Don't need radar to take out a lanc in a searchlight.

Anywho, way back when, when there was night, I did not know about gamma settings.  It went pitch black: I could not see a damn thing. Nothing, col. hogan, Nothing!

So yeah, I logged off.

Now on Christmas eve, We have a night. And now...for some reason, it's really kewl. By visibilty is reduced somewhat...But I'm not blind.Never adjusted my gamma....but I could see! Did they change the coding for night?

 Honestly,I don't see it coming back. Two sides here.  I hate it, it sucks/ I like it I think it will work.  What will it add to the game, really?

If more aircraft that are night capable are introduced....? Who wants to be my (*yawn*)  radar operator?

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by Emu
I dont understand your logic.  Because some people will game the game, then better to have no game at all?  What you are saying is not true only for a night arena, but GV battles, and any other arena.  We have people spoiling game play in the MA as it is.  HOs, bomb and parachute, spies, etc.  You will always have people behaving in a less than honorable way, but that is true for everything in life.  You just hope there will be enough good people around you to make it worthwhile.  I would love to have a Night Arena.  I can choose whether to play there or not, and deal with the "consequences".

Thanks for bringing this topic to this forum K-KEN.

Thank YOU for supporting the idea.  I think we have rokit on our side, sort of, so he has explained his post there and it's cool.
There is so much negativity here, it makes me wonder what I said that makes people think it's the same request to have night in "their arena" as the many before this did promote. I guess they read into it what they want to and have to be negative ... just to be negative. Sad  

I'd appreciate it if folks would pass this on to their squaddies and friends, and for those who like the idea, to hit this post. If they don't like it, then they need not reply.  I'll add the image one more time since it's a new page.




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[Masherbrum]

Originally posted by Bosco123
Use it; it helps

You've whined enough 200 the last two nights.   Sit in the back of the class, like you have been.

[toonces3]

K-Ken,
Most of the aircraft we have weren't used in a night capacity.  Furthermore, the best night actions like those that took place over Germany during the night bombing campaign included aircraft with radars and guns adapted to night fighting, as well as ground searchlights, etc.  We have none of these aids in this game.

While I have nothing inherently against having an additional 'night time' arena, I fail to really see the point in using HTC's resources to create one.  I realize that this seems like a great idea to you, but, again, I can't see how much this really adds to the game to make it worthwhile.  What I do think it would do is dillute the arenas we have to some extent, but actually, I doubt it would even do that.  Creating an inability to fight wouldn't attract many folks except those seeking to pad their score, or the truly dedicated night folks like yourself.  

If and/or when HTC adds something to the game where night fighting would add a real new dimension, not simply provide a way to dogfight without being able to see, or bomb without being engaged, I am all for it.  Until then I think a dedicated arena is a waste of time and resources.  And, in fact, if we're looking to make dogfighting harder I'd just assume add some significant weather to the arena which is probably a more significant loss than night.

I have no dog in this hunt and it makes absolutely zero difference to me if HTC added another arena.  More options are always welcome.  But if creating such an arena is going to eat resources from something else, then I'd prefer to keep the settings as they are.

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by MORAY37
OK.. I'll say it.  It's a stupid idea and it didn't work the first time. It won't work this time, past the first day when everyone checks it out.. then logs off and flies another arena.

Score potatos want night so they can go about butt banging every base in the closet, and have zero chance of getting caught.

As well... single engine fighters did not fly at night.  (Only one, the 190 A6/R11 was tried for nightfighting, only on moonlit nights, and suffered horribly to operational losses not resulting from combat.)

Only twin engine or higher, specially modified planes even FLEW at night, let alone performed any combat, in ww2.

As for bad weather flying... NOTHING flew in bad weather in WW2.  Why do you think the germans attacked when they did at the Battle of the Bulge (1944).....THE WEATHER PREVENTED ANY AIR OPS, COMBAT OR RESUPPLY.

Please feel free to read up and form opinions and wishes based in fact.

While bad weather was happening, the troops gathered at base and made plans, soon as the weather broke they executed those plans with more vigar then just constantly re-upping. Bad weather is a great time for "regrouping".

Night time has the same issue. And if you think nothing ever happened at night, not even being a historian I am going to say you're wrong. Not much happened at night would be more correct. Many bombs dropped at night.

4 hour rotations could make planning and executing raids VERY interesting since on the 3 hour everyone will be launching raids and defenses all at once. Almost scenario like. You are more likely to find the simmer in this situation.

These breaks in the action not only regroups the troops but the game\sim\war as well. All of which happened in RL.

Just because some don't like it, doesn't mean others don't nor does it define that others should not have that option.

No one is talking about forcing it down people's throats, or porking an arena with it, so I don't understand the negative input other then fear and paranoia. Calm down, you have what you want, let others have what they want without taking from you. I refer to my first 3 statements of my 1st reply.

A revolving enviroment arena could show-case options whined out of the game and almost forgotten and never experienced by the newbie, but still play a role in RL and a sim, rather then a game. You don't think one night a week won't draw players? 5 nights a week you will not have many, but if some want just that one night a week in different arena it will be more full then you think.

The MA will still be there with an aimless flock of seaguls, which I call practice.

No offense intended,.. just sayin.

[smokey23]

Im with FT_animal theres noone forceing this idea down anyone throat its a great idea and for those that just want to do the same old thing day after day furball after furball you'll still have youre late an mid arenas why not let those of us that want to fly night missions and fight at night do so. Why do you act so threatened by this idea  theres nothing in this post that impedes on youre ability to perk horde or work on keeping youre rank up in hopes to get a place on HTC homepage (woopie doo) cause we dont care about that we just want somethin new if those that think this is a bad idea or and i quote" STUPID" idea then stay in youre furball arenas and fight the sun all you want but get off us the ones that want an alternative experience when we play.

KEEP UP THE FIGHT K-KEN im with ya brother

[NoBaddy]

Originally posted by smokey23
.............and i quote" STUPID" idea.....................

KEEP UP THE FIGHT K-KEN im with ya brother

I don't think it's stupid. I do think that the odds of it happening are very poor. I also know that it generally takes more than "this would be cool!" or "this is what everyone wants!" to get HT's attention. Heck, as long as you're not peein' in my pool....what do I care!!

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by SWrokit
I can remember my early LTAR days in AH I, there was nothing more gratifying than seeing 20 ostis lighting up the night ski   can only imagine what it looked like from the pilot's point of view.

That being said, the total black out conditions of AH I, IMHO, should be left on the shelf.  You couldn't see your targets, dog fighting was.....shall we say......interesting.  Look at 200 now....how many times do you see "ace pilot"...."Ramming Hoe", etc, etc, etc.  Nighttime just adds fuel to the fire.......you couldn't see your NME until you were on top of them.

A dedicated arena wouldn't be bad if it were made to be semi-dark.  But then again with the ability to control "Gamma"...........what's the point?

I think what was missing was Search Lights from the equation. That alone could put a whole new swing on night time and team work. Unless I am missing something it sounds like a very important element that was missing when I was flying there.

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by toonces3
K-Ken,
Most of the aircraft we have weren't used in a night capacity.  Furthermore, the best night actions like those that took place over Germany during the night bombing campaign included aircraft with radars and guns adapted to night fighting, as well as ground searchlights, etc.  We have none of these aids in this game.

While I have nothing inherently against having an additional 'night time' arena, I fail to really see the point in using HTC's resources to create one.  I realize that this seems like a great idea to you, but, again, I can't see how much this really adds to the game to make it worthwhile.  What I do think it would do is dillute the arenas we have to some extent, but actually, I doubt it would even do that.  Creating an inability to fight wouldn't attract many folks except those seeking to pad their score, or the truly dedicated night folks like yourself.  

If and/or when HTC adds something to the game where night fighting would add a real new dimension, not simply provide a way to dogfight without being able to see, or bomb without being engaged, I am all for it.  Until then I think a dedicated arena is a waste of time and resources.  And, in fact, if we're looking to make dogfighting harder I'd just assume add some significant weather to the arena which is probably a more significant loss than night.

I have no dog in this hunt and it makes absolutely zero difference to me if HTC added another arena.  More options are always welcome.  But if creating such an arena is going to eat resources from something else, then I'd prefer to keep the settings as they are.

You make very good points. Yet, this is still a SIM. It has night time already designed within it, it works, there is nothing to do but turn it on or off.  The new arena will not take any resourses away from gameplay. Weather, OTOH, does cause some video issues for folks with marginal cards.  Night time is about the only thing that can make sense to me, and as far as a plane set, (I didn't say it here) who knows what the future will bring to AH.

Remember, and I know you are neutral here, a lot of folks like to buff and GV more than fly jabo or milk runs.  Fighter sweeps are fun, so are carrier ops, and HQ missions. The buff drivers and GV and CV, PT boats, LVTs and all will have a better experience, IMO, if they have a night option and place to do it. I not only speak for myself, but a silent minority and an undetermined nuber of vocal people want the night in some form or fashion.

The only possible option, that will please the masses, is a seperate arena.
That is the only way it can happen and be accepted by the community. Even then folks will still whine and cry, but I do not for the life of me understand why.  If it is affecting their arena, then I agree.  It's like people who don't like smokers. If someone is smoking in their home flying, it doesn't effect me a bit. If I am sitting next to them, in their arena, then yes I would be bothered. Same thing.

I doubt that the number of people will increase flying in AH, I would hope this would actually stimulate membership, but if not, the best thing it might do is to spread them around and keep the load lighter in the MA. That is the primary reason for splitting up the Arenas from 1 big one to 4. EW, MW and LW.

Thank you for posting and being civil in what you have said. I respect that in you.


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[K-KEN]

Originally posted by FT_Animal
While bad weather was happening, the troops gathered at base and made plans, soon as the weather broke they executed those plans with more vigar then just constantly re-upping. Bad weather is a great time for "regrouping".

Night time has the same issue. And if you think nothing ever happened at night, not even being a historian I am going to say you're wrong. Not much happened at night would be more correct. Many bombs dropped at night.

4 hour rotations could make planning and executing raids VERY interesting since on the 3 hour everyone will be launching raids and defenses all at once. Almost scenario like. You are more likely to find the simmer in this situation.

These breaks in the action not only regroups the troops but the game\sim\war as well. All of which happened in RL.

Just because some don't like it, doesn't mean others don't nor does it define that others should not have that option.

No one is talking about forcing it down people's throats, or porking an arena with it, so I don't understand the negative input other then fear and paranoia. Calm down, you have what you want, let others have what they want without taking from you. I refer to my first 3 statements of my 1st reply.

A revolving enviroment arena could show-case options whined out of the game and almost forgotten and never experienced by the newbie, but still play a role in RL and a sim, rather then a game. You don't think one night a week won't draw players? 5 nights a week you will not have many, but if some want just that one night a week in different arena it will be more full then you think.

The MA will still be there with an aimless flock of seaguls, which I call practice.

No offense intended,.. just sayin.

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[angelsandair]

Originally posted by toonces3
K-Ken,
Most of the aircraft we have weren't used in a night capacity.  Furthermore, the best night actions like those that took place over Germany during the night bombing campaign included aircraft with radars and guns adapted to night fighting, as well as ground searchlights, etc.  We have none of these aids in this game.

While I have nothing inherently against having an additional 'night time' arena, I fail to really see the point in using HTC's resources to create one.  I realize that this seems like a great idea to you, but, again, I can't see how much this really adds to the game to make it worthwhile.  What I do think it would do is dillute the arenas we have to some extent, but actually, I doubt it would even do that.  Creating an inability to fight wouldn't attract many folks except those seeking to pad their score, or the truly dedicated night folks like yourself.  

If and/or when HTC adds something to the game where night fighting would add a real new dimension, not simply provide a way to dogfight without being able to see, or bomb without being engaged, I am all for it.  Until then I think a dedicated arena is a waste of time and resources.  And, in fact, if we're looking to make dogfighting harder I'd just assume add some significant weather to the arena which is probably a more significant loss than night.

I have no dog in this hunt and it makes absolutely zero difference to me if HTC added another arena.  More options are always welcome.  But if creating such an arena is going to eat resources from something else, then I'd prefer to keep the settings as they are.

err, dude, on christmas, we all did regular dogfighting tactics using regular planes. I used 109s, spits, n1ks, hurri2cs, 190s all on christmas. I landed 5 kills in 1 of em and in all of the others, i landed 2 kills or had 3 kills and died. Its great dogfighting. No other way to open up your senses to be the fittest to survive. Using your tactics to beat the other guy. What is more awesome than that?? probably only sex and beer

[K-KEN]

Originally posted by angelsandair
What is more awesome than that?? probably only sex and beer

I am not taking THAT poll    hehehehe  Thanks for the feedback.

I had a thought, maybe to get more of a feel for this, remember the polls recently that popped up for us to vote on what new plane we would get?  

Maybe put up a poll asking: (I am not sure I like this wording though)
Question: This is about night time in Aces High II
"Would you like to see a "New Arena for Night Operations" and would you utilize it??"
Answer:
Yes [] I would use it and I want to see it happen
No  [] No, but as long as it didn't effect me it's cool
No Opinion [] I care less either way

My concern, here, at this moment is that we are not reaching the players guild (community) as many do not necessarily post here. Some folks don't fly daily, maybe even weekly. Some weeks I fly 2 hours for squad night only. Recently, I have been at home and have had more time and opportunity, so I have been hitting it hard.

Let's face facts, even I won't fly the Night Time arena 100%. But if there is a special event, or if I want to blow stuff up at night, then I would have that opportunity and it doesn't require anyone else to give up their fun times.

Before the H2H was closed, I vaguely recall Night could be set up there...and those folks flew for free and basically did not financially support HTC/Aces High. Well, I do, and will sing their praises for the last 9 years I have been associated with it.

I would love to see it used as a marketing tool as well.
I fly Pacific Fighters, IL2, and it has night time operations built into the different preset OPs. (offline) I have never flown it online so I have no experience as to whether they have night or not. One more marketing tool, another "bone" to throw out there would bring in more folks. Mouse flying really burned my fanny, because this was pandering to "gamers" IMO.
But, we have to endure the pain of growth, like it or leave it.

All I want is to have an opportunity for me and many others, new and old, to enjoy more of the features and benefits with this great SIM and community.

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[smokey23]

Well said KEN im with ya it can be used as a marketing tool, and  like you said many times  in youre replies to others it wouldnt infringe on anyones gameplay being a seperate arena all to itself.

[FT_Animal]

Originally posted by Krusty
That's twice people have said "a few people don't like night time"


Let me correct that.

"The vast majority of all players don't like night time"

You are correct in saying "a few like night time" though.

Me bets the vast majority also doesn't fly in scenarios either. Yet the arenas exist.

I think it's been mentioned more then once, if someone doesn't like it they are not obligated to enter it.

So is it safe to say that people who don't want it will protest to not giving it to people who do?

Best way I can put it is the MA will still exist for the narrow minded.
The more you give everyone something the less whiners you'll have in your arena.