Author Topic: Night Time Arena (Read 4291 times)

NoBaddy · « **Reply #90 on:** February 28, 2008, 03:46:39 PM »

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Originally posted by FT_Animal
The more you give everyone something the less whiners you'll have in your arena.

WRONG!!!!! This is Whiner's High...the whines never stop!!!

angelsandair · « **Reply #91 on:** February 28, 2008, 05:26:48 PM »

Actually, I bet there are people who just go around on the forums to whine. But 90% of the people who I fly with (bishies, knits in DA) want a nighttime arena. If they dont feel like night time fighting, go to the other MA arenas. Those people opposed to it shouldnt whine. It's another use for their 15$ a month. Its a whole new arena, not adding nighttime to an arena. I cant belive my little squeaker mouth is saying this but whiners, look at what you are saying. Are you just trying to add to the buzz kill of not having nighttime by saying that a great idea is stupid?? I mean, come on, i bet alot more people would like to see it, you just think things should'nt change, it's always the same people too. Everyone complained about the P-39Q and D saying it was a horrible fighter when the #2 allied ace of WW2 flew one only to be beaten out by a La dweeb. And even now, those same people dont want it. The squeakers are the people who whine about every single post that is a good idea.

FT_Animal · « **Reply #92 on:** February 28, 2008, 05:44:59 PM »

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Originally posted by NoBaddy
WRONG!!!!! This is Whiner's High...the whines never stop!!!

Ya, you prolly have a point there. Sorry I was trying to think logically, my bad.

K-KEN · « **Reply #93 on:** February 28, 2008, 06:07:06 PM »

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Originally posted by angelsandair
Actually, I bet there are people who just go around on the forums to whine. But 90% of the people who I fly with (bishies, knits in DA) want a nighttime arena. If they dont feel like night time fighting, go to the other MA arenas. Those people opposed to it shouldnt whine. It's another use for their 15$ a month. Its a whole new arena, not adding nighttime to an arena. I cant belive my little squeaker mouth is saying this but whiners, look at what you are saying. .....

Yes Sir! You have my attention. Can you ask a few of them to post here too? The more "positive" feedback on this proposal may make it more inevitable that the powers-to-be, HTC, Dale (HiTech), Pyro, Roy and others,
take a hard look at this new design option.

As another positive here, those nights where the first LW is closed, that *may* not happen as often. (I said maybe) The Night arena may tip the balance a little.

Those of you in a squad know that if you log in and your squad is in that first "closed" arena, the whole group may have to pull up stakes - because a member or 3 is late - and maybe they were right in the middle of the best thing going for them...only to have to leave and go to the arena that is not full. That changes the dynamics for that arena, as well as the one they are heading to, and then causes the squad to regroup and start all over from scratch. All their effort and planning has gone to blazes. That wouldn't be fun either.

Thanks again for your post and support, angelsandair.

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angelsandair · « **Reply #94 on:** February 28, 2008, 06:50:00 PM »

Well, I want the oppurtunity that almost everyone that I know on the game never had. In fact I want that oppurtunity to fight more on a Night Arena. Me and my squadies had only seen night for maybe the 2nd time at the most ever on christmas eve. Not to mention all of the newer players coming in.

FT_Animal · « **Reply #95 on:** February 29, 2008, 03:12:47 AM »

For those who repel the idea, or those who have negative input about something that will not effect them directly,...please keep in mind...

You just don't happen to be a part of that target audience.

Or, take time and think about it and maybe come up with an idea that could make it more acceptable to you too. What would make it more inviting to you? Do something others may not be willing to do, be creative.

The worse that can come from it is that you help fellow players keep interest in the game by helping them in achieving their goals too. Wouldn't it be great if your squadie didn't leave of boredom because he had the option to get his ya yas out on something extra on Tuesday night, maybe something he thinks is missing from the norm?

The idea of the "idea" is to give more reasons for more people to play-n-stay usually including one's self. Ideas are like business cards, if you get a 10% return you're doing really good. It's not so much that an idea works or not, but that they keep coming to give more to choose from for that possible 10% that will work.

Yes the core of the idea is night flying, but it has a twist from the norm, or put a twist in it.

I'm certainly NOT the guy with all the answers. But it seems to me if you keep trying to fix the same problem the same way, with the same attitude, getting the same results, it's time to try something different.

My swing on it is,..I think search lights would improve night big time for me, it would also force\promote team-work to a degree.

I'm not as much for the 24/7 night time idea as I am for an arena that will showcase it at least once a week. One (or two) day a week will condense the small crowd of 7 days into a fuller arena by only giving them one day to do it. The same with those who like weather on other days. People who don't like it simply won;t be there, they will be in their favorite arena, or event.

To just say "it'll never work..." is making sure it won't. Which could be true, depending on what angle you choose to see it from.

IMO, never discourage someone who's coming up with ideas, they only need that ONE of a hundred that works.

IMO, this idea is worthy of thought.

I will invoice you all for my unsolicited advise,.. err umm,.. comments.

Bruv119 · « **Reply #96 on:** February 29, 2008, 03:18:51 AM »

by all means have an "experimentation" arena to try out new ideas.

BUT most players fight in the LW Arenas and putting night in there would be commercial suicide.

Having say 20 guys in a night arena will not only be hard finding them but when you do, struggle to see them!

thrila · « **Reply #97 on:** February 29, 2008, 03:44:56 AM »

If night is so popular why is it the same 3 people posting/campaigning for it.

Where is all the support if " only a few don't like night". Thats is a lie, a massive exaggeration at the best.

I couldn't give a damn if there was a seperate arena for it, myself. But to say it is wanted by the majority of players is simply not true

The Fugitive · « **Reply #98 on:** February 29, 2008, 07:34:18 AM »

I have no trouble with a separate arena for "night". If the propergander is true then the LW arenas would have only half the population they have now and the hordes would be that much smaller!

I think those that want the night are fooling themselve into thinking there are "so many" who want night back, but like I said, it doesn't effect me. I think it will be more like the EW and MW arenas in numbers, and half of those will be milkers.

K-KEN · « **Reply #99 on:** February 29, 2008, 08:58:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Bruv119
by all means have an "experimentation" arena to try out new ideas.

BUT most players fight in the LW Arenas and putting night in there would be commercial suicide.

Having say 20 guys in a night arena will not only be hard finding them but when you do, struggle to see them!

AS I mentioned, all current arenas are not effected. No experimental arena... an arena dedicated to night time strategies and game play.
Nowhere did I ask for it to be "in" any other arena. That is not what this is about. HTC has an experimental space where "they" do testing etc.... CT might be considered that, since it is BETA in concept. Players are testing that too. Night was already tested. It was not popular to "force" it on others, and I agree with that. A new arena will not force anyone to take a look or be a part of it's experience. Look at EW, MW, AvA. Even the DA is under utilized, yet it exists.

You would be surprised that DAR still works, you will see the enemy-just maybe a little closer...might require you to retune your SA! That is not a bad thing.

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K-KEN · « **Reply #100 on:** February 29, 2008, 09:22:28 AM »

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Originally posted by FT_Animal
For those who repel the idea, or those who have negative input about something that will not effect them directly,...please keep in mind...

You just don't happen to be a part of that target audience.

My swing on it is,..I think search lights would improve night big time for me, it would also force\promote team-work to a degree.

I'm not as much for the 24/7 night time idea as I am for an arena that will showcase it at least once a week. One (or two) day a week will condense the small crowd of 7 days into a fuller arena by only giving them one day to do it. The same with those who like weather on other days. People who don't like it simply won;t be there, they will be in their favorite arena, or event.

To just say "it'll never work..." is making sure it won't. Which could be true, depending on what angle you choose to see it from.

IMO, never discourage someone who's coming up with ideas, they only need that ONE of a hundred that works.

IMO, this idea is worthy of thought.

I will invoice you all for my unsolicited advise,.. err umm,.. comments.

My friend, I am going to make a few comments on your assessment:
(I disagree here)
By NOT having a 7 day arena, then we deny players that option. I am not talking exclusively for the US folks, as there are many other countries involved here. Our community is world wide, many time zones apart.
We can't put a "time limit" on it then turn it off just when that once a week pielet logs on. Everyone should have the opportunity, 24/7/365 to play there, or not, by their choice. They can choose the MA or EW or MW, AvA DA, TA and even the rotating Special Events arenas.

Why does FSO get mixed results? "Time" Wed Night Snapshot..."Time"
Team Racing... you got it..."Time". The DGS Scenario had a lot of folks wanting to be a part but because of "Time" they cannot play. If squad night is always Saturday, then Tuesday is not accomadating for my squad or someone elses. (or me or someone that is partnered up if that's the only day "wife ack" is silenced, or the only day to dedicate to me..)

I do not want search lights, or any new plane sets to be even considered, until the night arena option is valid, and in due time, HTC sees it's way to develop new "craft" or features. One step at a time please. I am not asking for a major development to begin. They have CT for that and some really neat new things coming as pictured on the home page.

HTC is a few dedicated folks, and I mean a few, who put forth great effort and determination to bring this thing (Aces High) to us daily. They have far exceeded my expectations in development, fixes, and customer service.
It's been a bumpy road for them and there have been "days" that I am sure they need a break! I know I would. Let's not push them to add anything that is not already a done deal or currently in the works.

But I DO appreciate your support, ideas and comments.

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K-KEN · « **Reply #101 on:** February 29, 2008, 09:34:24 AM »

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Originally posted by thrila
If night is so popular why is it the same 3 people posting/campaigning for it.

Where is all the support if " only a few don't like night". Thats is a lie, a massive exaggeration at the best.

I couldn't give a damn if there was a seperate arena for it, myself. But to say it is wanted by the majority of players is simply not true

Do you think it might be because of all the negativity? I think many have read this idea as the same as all the others. Yes, Night Time flying is beating a dead horse, "IF" it is forced on players. I agree with that 100%. I think it gets beat up only for that reason. I hope that my proposal has squelched that idea that it's required.
I don't like ENY...but it's a part of the SIM, to level the field, supposedly. That isn't going away either.

I think "a lot" of players want the option. Let's be honest, even they will not be there 100%. EW and MW are a testimony to that. Last time you went to the DA, TA, Ava, EW or MW??? Well, they ARE there. Doesn't mean "you" have to go there either. You have the option and the power to make that decision to try it and like it or not. If not, then you won't go back.
No one is asking you to go there either.

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Krusty · « **Reply #102 on:** February 29, 2008, 09:50:09 AM »

Wow... quite the 1-man crusade going there....

K-KEN · « **Reply #103 on:** February 29, 2008, 10:35:07 AM »

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Originally posted by Krusty
Wow... quite the 1-man crusade going there....

Sad isn't it. (not being sarcastic either)
I think it's folks like you and many others who have "beat down" the "night" that it has those (few-if you like) supporters frustrated and cowering in their corners. (maybe from the last round of posts in the past)They do exist, and because people can't read what is actually said in this message and idea, they flare their nostrils, get their panties in a bunch and it makes them get stupid. Just because it says "night" doesn't mean it's going to be forced on you or anyone else that doesn't want it.

No one is asking or forcing this on anyone... let me type it slower for you to understand.

N o o n e i s a s k i n g y o u t o l o g i n t o i t.

I guess no one really wants to "rock the boat". Even my squaddies are absent, but they all support it or like it. I am a little depressed that more folks have not come forward to help champion this cause, "Night Arena", because it is the only way I can see it being an option.
And I do respect those of you who do not want it, "the night", in your arenas too. That is cool with me and why I started down this avenue.

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BaldEagl · « **Reply #104 on:** February 29, 2008, 11:08:11 AM »

I used to HATE the night time in AHI until I learned to turn up the brightness on my monitor. Then I was a nightime terror

I see any attempt at full darkness will be the same, and those who don't turn up gamma will be whining incessantly.

I did really like those red sunsets and sunrises though as well as the black sky full of stars. What we really need is full night for about 5 minutes with the old sunrises and sunsets.