Understanding the Niki

[CAP1]

Originally posted by E25280
The Niki is very versitile for those who primarily fly "attack" type sorties.  The large cannon ammo load makes it an effective building buster, especially for those times when ord is down.  Without the large ord loadout, most .50cal armed planes are frustratingly poor town killers vs. cannon armed aircraft.

The added advantage vs. say a 110 is that the Niki is an adequate fighter.  It is too slow and the guns have too poor balistics


My $0.02.

by this, do you mean the muzzle velocity? or does this fire a different type of round as compsared to the hispanos?

thanks
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[Xasthur]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Are you this big a jerk off in real life? Hold on guys while I put this nitwit on ignore. There, now maybe we can have a conversation without anyone putting anyone down.

                 I took a Niki out tonight and actually did OK in it. I hung it up verticle and forced a spit to drop out. Unfortunatly I lost sight of him and didnt exploit it. One thing Ive noticed is the Niki doesnt feel real good in the hands in a dive.

                 Hey Xasthur? You suck!


 

Hah, get over yourself mate.

Do you talk down to everyone 'in real life'? To be honest with you, more often than not your responses here are inflammatory and snotty. Perhaps you should take a look at yourself before being the first to jump of the faults of others.

I stand by what I said as an accurate assessment of my encounters with the N1k. If I ever see one I go into the fight assuming that the player will HO at the first opportunity. Most of the time, I am right. You go ahead, though, write my comments off as me being a jerk. Enjoy being shot in the face.

Of course I'm 'ignored' now, so this won't reach you on your high horse.

Originally posted by Rich46yo Sorry guys for the dustup. Most of the people in this community are a pleasure but some of these guys sit around playing a cartoon airplane game for 20 hours a day and think their "all that". They need a job or a hobby or something. Do something constructive with life instead of whining on a computer all day about noobs in LA-7s.
Christ!  

Do you often draw assumptions out of thin air? You're suggesting that I don't have a job because I made a comment about my encounters with N1k pilots in-game? I fail to see the logic in this.

I'd like to see you quote me whining about La7s or any other aircraft in any other post than my last one. Please, go ahead.

Remarks like this make you look like an ignorant fool.

Drop the 'Mr Slick' act and stop being a banana.

[Furball]

N1K was my favourite a/c in AH until i stopped playing.  Absolutely loved it.

I rarely went above 6k and would just fight anything that came near me - didn't really use any specific tactics in it.  Main thing is to get used to the ballistics of the guns, is is just a real good all round performer.  I can't remember what i set my convergence at, but i seem to recall i set one pair at around 325 and another at 350 or so.

100% fuel and all those cannon rounds make it easy to get ~12 - 20 kills a sortie if you don't get stupid in it.

[SoonerMP]

Did someone call the LA-7 a (Superior Fighter?) << ughh ..... puke......retch... puke again..>> LA-7 is the ultimate crap/horrid plane ever created. NEVER was the LA-7/5 good in combat or as nimble in this game. Go (talk/read about an actual) Luftwaffe pilot that fought one. Like in the game... their advantage was in numbers not in pilot skill or superior design.

[DoNKeY]

Originally posted by SoonerMP
Did someone call the LA-7 a (Superior Fighter?) << ughh ..... puke......retch... puke again..>> LA-7 is the ultimate crap/horrid plane ever created. NEVER was the LA-7/5 good in combat or as nimble in this game. Go (talk/read about an actual) Luftwaffe pilot that fought one. Like in the game... their advantage was in numbers not in pilot skill or superior design.

*Runs and hides from incoming.*

donkey

[WMLute]

I fly niki's as a "primary" ride.  

You would be hard pressed to find anybody who know's more about how to 'succesfully' fly the n1k in AH than myself.

Great planes.  99% of the pilots fly it wrong.

What is it you wanted to know?

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by SoonerMP
Did someone call the LA-7 a (Superior Fighter?) << ughh ..... puke......retch... puke again..>> LA-7 is the ultimate crap/horrid plane ever created. NEVER was the LA-7/5 good in combat or as nimble in this game. Go (talk/read about an actual) Luftwaffe pilot that fought one. Like in the game... their advantage was in numbers not in pilot skill or superior design.

You poor, silly child.  Do you realize what you just did?  You painted a big old target on your arse with idiotic trolls like you just posted.  Fortunately for you, some do take pity on the stupid.


ack-ack

[Xasthur]

Originally posted by WMLute
I fly niki's as a "primary" ride.  

You would be hard pressed to find anybody who know's more about how to 'successfully' fly the n1k in AH than myself.

Great planes.  99% of the pilots fly it wrong.

What is it you wanted to know?

Thanks Lute, that confirms what I've said in this thread.

9/10 players use it has a HO'ing battering ram. In the right hands it is a 'jack of all trades' but it is predominantly used as a boring aircraft to fight.

I've had Lute hand me my arse several times in a variety of aircraft with him in the N1k... It is potent when flown well. Thankfully Lute does actually use the N1k as a dogfighter as opposed to the alternative.

I don't care what people fly so long as they make a fun fight out of it... be it a La7, 190D, P51, 163, 262.... whatever.


I don't care if I 'lose', so long as it is an interesting fight.

As a matter of fact, I actually thoroughly enjoy taking on La7s in a 190 A8.... The fight is always a challenge, provided it doesn't turn into a HO fest (and even then, the 190 has more firepower there)

[IrishOne]

Originally posted by trotter
Wow. I don't like the Niki much, but stroker and urchin above are really giving it a terrible rap.

As to weapon power, look at the fighter weapon rounds comparison chart at netaces.org. Using the .50 cal hitting power as base 1, the each of the Niki's Type 99 Mk 2 has a relative hitting power of 3.297222. For all four together, we will roughly say that the relative hitting power is 13.

This is FAR more powerful than the 2x Hispano and 4x Browning combination. Roughly, and the numbers are there on the chart if anyone wants to do more exact math, but roughly the combined relative hitting power of 2x Hispano and 4x Browning is 9.

The ballistics of the Type 99 Mk2 also cannot be described as "horrid". They are poorer than hispano's, yes, but far superior to German or Russian 20mm.

As to roll rate, yes admittedly it is terrible, but rudder can help you kick into a roll very well in a Niki.

The Niki has a very good climb rate, and can hang in the vert longer than people will expect. It is a little tougher than Spits, and a large advantage it has over the Ki84 is in the dive.

No, it's not an absolutely superb plane, but it's a little better than you guys above make it out to be.

i thought the japanese 20mm's were way worse than the luftwaffe 20mm...

[Rich46yo]

Originally posted by Lusche
No I do't. But I remember very well how you bravely put me on ignore because I cared to post  in a thread of yours where "I had no buissness in". Just like appr. 100 people more you triumphantly put on ignore in the past (most of them just because they cared to have a different opinion, or were talking without your permission).
But what happened? Running out of ignore slots?

And of course everybody knows that I'm whining on this board 24/7 about n00bs, La7's, only *****ing around, telling everybody how to play and never posting any constructive advice, help or information.

                     You didnt "post"those times. You anointed yourself moderator, barged in, and started dictating from up high. They got rules about that kid yaknow that? Actually I have all of 3 on ignore right now and no your not going to be one again because your kind of harmless. A bit addled from so much cartoon flying, but basically harmless. And somehow I got a feeling about you that you arent a bad guy beneath it all.

                    But remember this. You dont have an official position with AH so unless you can post constructively in my thread like a gentleman then keep your mouth shut and stay out of my threads. Skuzzy runs the boards not you! Its a shame someone with your skill doesnt contribute more.

                  Frankly I find it kinda offensive anyone would barge in a thread like this with insults about players and/or a cartoon airplane. Lusche wouldnt do that, "give him that", nor would I.

                  Man Ive been HO'd, or attempted HO'd in every kind of airplane flying in this game. By almost everyone who ever had a chance. I cant help but think the rest of you have as well, far more probably. Niki's and LAs aren't even close to the top of the list.

                Once again thanks to all for the contributions. Im not all that sure I'll ever fly the Niki all that much but like every airplane I want to understand it more. At the least in order to beat it.

[Xasthur]

Conveniently ignored, as I expected.

[Urchin]

Originally posted by CAP1
soooo.......by numbers it's not quite as good as a spit9.........but it's very close...........which says to me that if you placed 2 average skilled pilots in the aircraft, and they dueled, it'd be the first pilot to make a mistake going down......then have them switch planes, and still the same..1st mistake loses........except that the niki sounds to have a much harder punch wiht the 4 cannons? i've never flown that......yet.........

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No, typically in a DA type setup the Spit will win.  It rolls faster so it is generally in a position to take a shot first.  When I would fight people Niki vs Spit 9, the Spit 9 would win about 75% of the time, and it would win early.  If the Spit missed their initial one or two shots, the Niki's superior slow speed handling and marginally better turning would usually be enough to win.

The "punch" is going to be about the same.  You aren't going to take a shot from a plane with Hispanos and walk away undamaged.  The Hispano is hands down the hardest hitting 20mm in the game.  One hit to the tail and you are going to lose either the vertical stabilizer (the thing your ridder is on) or both of the horizontal ones (where your elevators are).  In addition to that a LOT of shots land of the tail simply because most people aim at the center of mass and normally don't lead quite enough.

The Niki is a good airplane, just not as good as a Spit.  Against most of the other planes in the set, the Niki handles so much like a Spit 9 that you will fight a Niki the same way you would a Spit 9, and they would fight you the same way.  The major difference for the MA comes down to 2 Hizookas vs. 4 normal 20mm with a boatload of ammo.

[Tilt]

When stuff gets slow N1K2 always "hangs" nicely for the shot..........

Used to find it quite uber in 1v1 stuff from a predetermined merge.
Was really a matter of slowing the fight down.
Unless the opponent was in a zeke

[Bronk]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
You didnt "post"those times. You anointed yourself moderator, barged in, and started dictating from up high. They got rules about that kid yaknow that? Actually I have all of 3 on ignore right now and no your not going to be one again because your kind of harmless. A bit addled from so much cartoon flying, but basically harmless. And somehow I got a feeling about you that you arent a bad guy beneath it all.

                    But remember this. You dont have an official position with AH so unless you can post constructively in my thread like a gentleman then keep your mouth shut and stay out of my threads. Skuzzy runs the boards not you! Its a shame someone with your skill doesnt contribute more.

                  Frankly I find it kinda offensive anyone would barge in a thread like this with insults about players and/or a cartoon airplane. Lusche wouldnt do that, "give him that", nor would I.

                  Man Ive been HO'd, or attempted HO'd in every kind of airplane flying in this game. By almost everyone who ever had a chance. I cant help but think the rest of you have as well, far more probably. Niki's and LAs aren't even close to the top of the list.


                Once again thanks to all for the contributions. Im not all that sure I'll ever fly the Niki all that much but like every airplane I want to understand it more. At the least in order to beat it.

REAL off topic but here goes.

1. If you break the rules the Skuzzinator will slap down your post. I know this very well.

2. When you post you put it up for discussion. For the uninitiated that mean quite probably people with different opinions from yours will post, and alot of us here are very sarcastic. Get over it its not YOUR thread you put up community discussion,grow some thicker skin.

3.It's not the plane it's the pilot. Put a 2week squeaker in any AC he's bound to ho as a primary tactic. However, fast or agile AC with lots of cannon is their preferred ride.

4. As to the Niki. Lots a cannon  quite agile at lower speeds. Take it up and fly it like a spit. Nothing like experience with the AC to teach you. Just avoid high speed fights, the controls stiffen up much sooner than american iron.

[BaldEagl]

Originally posted by Rich46yo
Actually I have all of 3 on ignore right now

Ooh... ooh... can I get on the ignore list (now that there's openings)?  I keep asking... c'mon.