Obama's Pastor "disappeared" from website.

[Toad]

The irony is that you apparently have not yet realized how sad and trite your act here has become.

[BTW]

Asking for something more substantial than what's been offered so far actually is germane. Answering my request with anything other than "Sorry, I got nuthin" when you apparent have nothing ... much less whining about how leaky *my* boat is at that point ... is just ironically sad.

Other than muddying water, what points have you posted Arlo? I'm sure you've posted some, but I have to tell you, I've lost them in what seems to be a forest of personal digs. So if you could please capsulize your point, I might know what heck you are trying to say if its not just muddy the water! Whats your point? Are Wrights comments racist? Is it ok for Obama if they are racist? Is Obama establishing a pattern of making friends with people that say and do stupid things (Ayers, Rezko, Wright) a political liability? He's running on his JUDGEMENT because he has no history! If his judgement seems to be wanting, I think its a pertinent issue.

[BTW]

While I don't think 7 months from now, people will remember who Rev Wright is, I don't think they'll ever forget the sound byte of him saying "na naw naw, not God bless America, God D America!" That will never go away, and Obama through his relationship with this guy is unelectable. The video clip is as powerful as the video of the planes crashing into the the buildings. People are not going to spend a lot of time trying to see his point. Its personal. To all those who love America, him saying "God D America!" is personal. He can't unring that bell.

[midnight Target]

For we have a choice in this country. We can accept a politics that breeds division and conflict and cynicism. We can tackle race only as spectacle — as we did in the O.J. trial — or in the wake of tragedy — as we did in the aftermath of Katrina — or as fodder for the nightly news. We can play Reverend Wright's sermons on every channel, every day and talk about them from now until the election, and make the only question in this campaign whether or not the American people think that I somehow believe or sympathize with his most offensive words. We can pounce on some gaffe by a Hillary supporter as evidence that she's playing the race card, or we can speculate on whether white men will all flock to John McCain in the general election regardless of his policies.

We can do that.

But if we do, I can tell you that in the next election, we'll be talking about some other distraction. And then another one. And then another one. And nothing will change.

Amazing speech. Maybe some of you should read it or listen to it before you pass judgement.

[JBA]

It was nowhere near "amazing". I read it and watched it. It's no "I have a dream" that's for damn sure. He was asked to address why he attended a racist church for 20 years, gave over 20k in donations, had this racist baptized his kids, an marry him off to his wife. And he gave me "we're all a bit racist" and we're all angry, so that's why I won't denounce the racist Wright.
He reads a well-written speech off of Teleprompters as well as any politician fighting for his political life. This will not play well for him in Penn, or in the mid west come November. I call “dead man walking” on his political career.

[Toad]

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[Toad]

It isn't about his speech that tried to change the focus of the spotlight.

The question he still hasn't answered satisfactorily is why he associated so closely and for so long with someone like Wright (and Wright clearly has a long, negative history).

I think a large portion of the American electorate realizes that if this were flipped and a white candidate, either Hillary or McCain had associated with a white doppelganger of Wright there would be absolutely no chance of that candidate proceeding further, wonderful speeches not withstanding.

[BTW]

Amazing speech. Maybe some of you should read it or listen to it before you pass judgement.

Fair enough. I read the speech and I sensed misdirection and back peddling. The misdirection was the controversy was not over race and who's grandparents were afraid of other races. The question was over judgement of the potential President and if he could be fooled by foes of America. The speech I heard didn't address that question! I don't care if his grandmother was afraid of black people. I care that he is taken in by someone like Wright or Ayers. That's what I'm worried about. You point out the passages in the speech that address those issues and what makes it "amazing." I am seriously asking because I don't see it. If its there, you should be able to quote it. The transcript is out there.

Quote the amazing parts.

[Arlo]

The irony is that you apparently have not yet realized how sad and trite your act here has become.

You don't know irony either ... mmmmmkay.

[Toad]

See, once again nothing to add.

It's your legacy Arlo. In the future, you'll be the standard by which other trolls are judged.

[Arlo]

Other than muddying water, what points have you posted Arlo? I'm sure you've posted some, but I have to tell you, I've lost them in what seems to be a forest of personal digs. So if you could please capsulize your point, I might know what heck you are trying to say if its not just muddy the water! Whats your point? Are Wrights comments racist? Is it ok for Obama if they are racist? Is Obama establishing a pattern of making friends with people that say and do stupid things (Ayers, Rezko, Wright) a political liability? He's running on his JUDGEMENT because he has no history! If his judgement seems to be wanting, I think its a pertinent issue.

Do you got anything other than your own editorial slant on this? All I'm askin'. If it's too hard just say so. No really ... I didn't start the thread and I don't have the issues you're having. If you can't take someone asking you to make your argument sensible then kneejerking blame on *them* isn't the answer.

[Arlo]

See, once again nothing to add.

It's your legacy Arlo. In the future, you'll be the standard by which other trolls are judged.

Irony is you saying nothing while blaming me for adding nothing. Go figure.

[Toad]

Once again, it's a shame you can't read.

I've said quite a lot in this thread that is directly on topic. I'll admit to wasting some time and electronic ink responding to your trolling. Pretty much everyone sees you for what you are Arlo. BTW just pointed it out again; you have nothing to add to the threads in which you participate.

I guess the only one not seeing it is you, of course.

Which makes it that much more entertaining. You're the person people laugh at, not with. 

[BTW]

Do you got anything other than your own editorial slant on this? All I'm askin'. If it's too hard just say so. No really ... I didn't start the thread and I don't have the issues you're having. If you can't take someone asking you to make your argument sensible then kneejerking blame on *them* isn't the answer.

Its not an editorial slant.  I think he has bad judgement and is back pedaling, and stated why. I don't know Obama or if he's a racist. I doubt he's a racist - seriously doubt he's a racist - since he's in my age group. His education is very much like how I've been educated. I really don't think he has a slavery hangover or animosity toward white people. I do think he's naive and has terrible judgement, and that impression comes from the radicals and frauds he aligns himself with. I also have a huge problem with his veracity. His new found forgiveness for people's racist attitudes because of when and how thy grew up, is just that - new found and politically expedient. That's not editorial slant, that's a fact. He wasn't forgiving of John Imus. Forgive Wright for riding "dirty" an imaginary "ho" or Wright's disgusting charictarization of white America, but fire Imus for a failed attempt to be funny or hip. The consideration of the whole person only extends toward Wright I see. That's not editorial slant, its a fact documented in Obama's short history. I also find his explanation of how Rezko became his neighbor, laughable. The guy is stupid or a liar.

Yea, I have lot more than editorial slant. I have Obama's history. What have YOU got? So far I see nothing but personal digs and its transparent. I asked you to capsulize your point and you can't. The reason is you don't want to discuss anything, you want to create noise so no one else can discuss it.

[Maverick]

Arlo,

You've overplayed the troll card. Nothing you say anymore will be taken seriously. Unless you change the trite way you have decided to play the troll no one is going to listen to you. You are a great argument for an ignore feature return since you are just spamming the thread.