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Offline Valkyrie

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Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« on: March 21, 2008, 11:05:06 PM »
Who's idea was it that the IJN CV's be placed only 25 miles from thier target. This was ridiculas. I enjoy FSO but there isn't any way in hell I play to take a B-25 to 9k only to die to 100 zeros, wasting, wasting 50 minutes of my life. The long flights of frame 1 where you actually had to be a pilot and manage your power and prop settings were interesting, this BS was a complete waste of time. BTW where are the B-17's which were here. Where are the B-26's which were untilized here in thier largest numbers. Dieing for a bunch of zeros climbing up from below for uncontested shots doing everything we could do to stop them is BS. I don't show up on Friday night to provide target practice.


Fix this for frame 3, cause tonight was a F****** joke.

UNF BTW really really nice job on the escort. Diving on 1 or 2 B5n's and leaving us to the dogs was a really really bright move. Hope your score was high enough tonight it cost 5th AF.


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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2008, 11:23:10 PM »
Things happen in a frame to cause a reaction to any given situation.

If you want Flawless and Scripted, watch the Discovery Channel.  Otherwise, deal with the situations that arise.  That is a Far Far better judge of what a person is made of.

Not one single time did any plan ever play out exactly as they planners expected.  The winners Adapted, and dealt with it.

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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2008, 11:55:19 PM »
Ironically, My very first thought on takeoff was "not too far to the action." I liked it.

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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2008, 12:05:11 AM »
Out of town but I do have internet. The CVs .. all of them were supposed to be over 50 miles away from their targets. Actually should have been neer 75 miles according to the starting position I had in the maps for the IJN. Will look into things later.
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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2008, 12:40:05 AM »
just an FYI,icon was set to 6k,thought it was suppose to be 3k.

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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2008, 12:40:15 AM »
Valkyrie,

I don't mind some venting of frustration, but you are pushing the limit, I hope you are done now.

I don't think CV's were only 25 miles from target, maybe just closer than you wanted them to be. Sorry your escort let you down, but that is not a design problem.


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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2008, 12:41:39 AM »
just an FYI,icon was set to 6k,thought it was suppose to be 3k.

  appoligize if I'm wrong.

Yes the wrong setting was used, which was my fault, we will fix that for frame 3.

Fortunately that affects both sides the same.
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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2008, 12:54:22 AM »
I'll take care of this in-house...
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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2008, 01:51:52 AM »
After telling my squadmates that the Icons would only show at 3k, they then saw a 5k Zero!
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I then told them the CM's made a mistake and it would be fixed for the next frame.  :)


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That's more than last time!

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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2008, 11:05:35 AM »
Improvise, adapt, overcome! If you saw they were to close you could have taken off and climbed in the opposite direction then turned back to the target, therefore giving you the altitude you wanted. I don't know how many times our flight leader or CIC has to change original orders during the course of the FSO due to some small glitch in the setup. Funny thing is i ran right under your bombers as i was hugging the deck to get back to cv because i was out of ammo. I wondered to myself at the time "what are they doing so low?" :huh We also had lots of inflight comments when our cv's got hit so early in the game but it didn't change our mission.
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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2008, 11:20:38 AM »
 :aok  Nice flying along side your squad Kermit

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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2008, 12:01:43 PM »
Managing your route is an equally important implied task. Maybe a little inward reflection is in order. IMHO. The frame was challenging; demanding thought and planning. Remember, tracers work both ways!
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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2008, 12:23:34 PM »
 <SALUTE> axis!
The unforgiven were escorts for the 5th. Was all very quiet, scouts found the boats and NO other cons. As we reached sector 10/11 I believe we came in contact with about 15 zekes and engaged them hoping to keep them busy while the big boys extended past this melee. It wasn't going good for the UF but the bombers had made it past our fight, I thought they may be clear to target. At 5.5 K vis of bombers I saw another 20 or so zekes diving out of the clouds----------> very sneaky < some of us broke off to try and catch the bombers but P40 just not fast enough, I had a front row seat watching them get mauled :cry. The rest of the frame was scouting for a cv in 8/11 sector for another squad attack, avoiding uber quantities of 10-15K zekes friggin everywhere! That group of bombers was mauled before target also! tried to engage a couple zekes here and there but 2 or 3 would show up shortly there after  :( very difficult frame for us, we didn't plan well either! Anyway  EXCELLENT planning and execution axis!  at least in our sector !! <S>

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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2008, 01:05:37 PM »
Managing your route is an equally important implied task. Maybe a little inward reflection is in order. IMHO. The frame was challenging; demanding thought and planning. Remember, tracers work both ways!
Great event.
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Exactly, I believe our squad was their escort but Im' not 100%. We were high and above the B25's to cover them when we ran into a group of 20 enemy cons at co alt, the B25's knew we engaged the cons. We had plenty of time, their bomber group could have went off target and regrouped with us once it was safe to do so. Instead they decided to continue to the target while their escort was engaged.

As escort we had 2 choices.. engage the co alt A6m's or run away from them. If we would have run away from them, it also would have also left the B25's with no escort and a bunch of A6m's near the B25's. I didn't see a single B5N in the group of cons I only saw A6M's. So far as we knew those were cons there to defend the CV's.

If we would have flown past them they could have followed us and attacked the B25's. If we ignored them, would they have flown past us at co alt, knowing we were likely otw to sink their CV? I highly doubt it, I know if I was lead on the other side, I would have ordered an attack to defend the fleet.

The end result is the bomber group was able to sink the CV, even without escort all the way to the target. The bomber group lost some planes but tis is war, pilots were expendable in ww2 the objective was to destroy the targets.

Best anyone can expect is to learn from things that happen. Maybe next time it's best to set regroup points. If your escort has to engage enemy cons the bombers should run off to a predetermined safe spot before continuing on to the target.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2008, 01:11:02 PM by crockett »
"strafing"

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Re: Let the ****ing and moaning begin
« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2008, 01:06:21 PM »
double post
"strafing"