Author Topic: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA  (Read 2113 times)

Offline Mister Fork

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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2008, 04:33:39 PM »
While I was investigating and building the list of equipment prices - I uncovered a huge historical element in the manufacturing of war machines during WWII.  I've included historical values for most German and American equipment when I could find the data (big thanks to those who helped out) .

German manufacturing prior to WWII starting was very efficient.  For example, the price of a B-17 is $147,000 but a Ju-88 is $43,000.  From what I've read, Germany was able to ramp up it manufacturing a lot cheaper before and during the war due to their process and manufacturing controls.  Allied manufacturing companies incorporated a lot of the German manufacturing efficiencies into their own mid-late war.  Which explains why a P-51D was made for only $50k in 1944 - which is based on the Bf109 design and manufacturing process.  Not to mention the more you something, the better you get at it.  Combined it helped reduce our costs - but the Germans were already good at it for years back to the days of the Spanish Civil war when they were already mass producing bombers, fighters, and tanks.  So, Germany had a 3-4 year headstart.

When get got them we had German engineers that migrated to the Allied countries work with us in the war departments in the Canada, UK, and the USA ...especially with the Manhattan project, to help improve our manufacturing processes. :D

« Last Edit: April 08, 2008, 04:41:35 PM by Mister Fork »
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2008, 04:55:43 PM »
Hum, hum...

For $50k, does it includes A/C and Power Steering? And what is the colour range? Is it coordinated with the upholstery?  :lol

Gentlemen from AvA Staff,  :aok Congrats! Another excellent improvement! I'm eager to join this one!

Thank you all and a big  :salute

P.S.: could anyone spare $500? Need to fill it up to return to base...
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2008, 05:10:43 PM »
lol fork, i should have really put two and two together with the price thread in the aircraft forum.

I know the ju88 has a marginally larger bomb load but facing 12 .50cals is an experience rather unique in comparison to a handful of 7.7mm.  I know which one i would prefer to be facing Arlo. :) The only thing with a poorer armament is the boston and once the 109f and 190 arrived this week it's days were numbered.  I can't recall how many bostons i saddled up and shotdown at 200yds this week. :D
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2008, 05:22:16 PM »
lol fork, i should have really put two and two together with the price thread in the aircraft forum.

I know the ju88 has a marginally larger bomb load but facing 12 .50cals is an experience rather unique in comparison to a handful of 7.7mm.  I know which one i would prefer to be facing Arlo. :) The only thing with a poorer armament is the boston and once the 109f and 190 arrived this week it's days were numbered.  I can't recall how many bostons i saddled up and shotdown at 200yds this week. :D

Just means you need to bring escorts.
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2008, 05:28:59 PM »
I dunno ... I seem to be a regular magnet for PW when it comes to facing German armament of any size and any ammo capacity (or remaining). :D

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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2008, 05:42:36 PM »
   Good idea guys, sounds like fun to me. Hope everyone enjoys and constructive posts are made. Keep up the new ideas and good work! :salute

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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2008, 05:59:31 PM »
 :aok Sounds like it should be interesting in the least.

Who/How are CO/XO picked for each side?

Which Theater of Operation will be selected, and by whom? (from what I see so far, everyone's looking at another BoB-LW-v-UK fight)

With the budget at $1.2 million, won't that limit the number of available vehicles to use, thus limiting the number of players using them?

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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2008, 06:33:16 PM »
this will never work.  there isn't an allied player who can survive without ack so allied plan B will be massive massive hordes way up in the double akakosphere and never coming down à la 325th checkertails or the 800 run to ack squadron all of which have morphed into current AvA allied ackhugger squads.

sorry AvA staff BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ wrong answer please play again later.

looks like I'll be in the MA for some time yet.  I just hope you fellows get through this phase you are going through.

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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2008, 08:05:14 PM »
looks like I'll be in the MA for some time yet. 

Do you need directions to that forum to whine in? :D

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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2008, 08:08:27 PM »
This whole "war" thing is getting old fast. We need a few weeks of the old AvA.
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2008, 08:20:42 PM »
i believe war is the whole point to the AVA. lets atleast give it a try and see what happens.

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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2008, 08:50:36 PM »
I'm stoked about ramping up a new chapter of AvA war! Looks to be intresting!
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2008, 08:52:25 PM »
I agree with Jaeger, let's see where it leads.  There is no way that a solution will satisfy everyone but there has to be a starting point.  Let's start here and give them some useful feedback instead of the usual whining, crying, and trolling so they can continue to improve the AvA  :aok
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2008, 09:02:22 PM »
I agree with Jaeger, let's see where it leads.  There is no way that a solution will satisfy everyone but there has to be a starting point.  Let's start here and give them some useful feedback instead of the usual whining, crying, and trolling so they can continue to improve the AvA  :aok

That the thing. We have tryed the "war" for about three months. In those three months it has been non stop vulching/ganging/picking/milking. Useful feedback or kiss bellybutton feedback? Because when some one says they dont like how it is now they are whining, crying, or trolling, but if they say they love it they are giving feedback.

You want to "improve" the AvA? Improve the numbers or the quality of game play? The "war AvA" is just a limited planeset MA. Thats why all these MA types love it. We need to have a month of old AvA. No base captures or "goals" with old settings. Make it so if you want to have some great fights you head to the AvA. If you want to fly with the horde and milk base after base then the MA is the place to be.
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Re: Battle of Aces - the new WAR in the AvA
« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2008, 09:05:41 PM »
That the thing. We have tryed the "war" for about three months. In those three months it has been non stop vulching/ganging/picking/milking. Useful feedback or kiss bellybutton feedback? Because when some one says they dont like how it is now they are whining, crying, or trolling, but if they say they love it they are giving feedback.

You want to "improve" the AvA? Improve the numbers or the quality of game play? The "war AvA" is just a limited planeset MA. Thats why all these MA types love it. We need to have a month of old AvA. No base captures or "goals" with old settings. Make it so if you want to have some great fights you head to the AvA. If you want to fly with the horde and milk base after base then the MA is the place to be.


You just don't get it, TK. You never did. And you weren't the answer to the vulch/gang/pick/milk on either side you led the charge to base capture. :)