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Offline WMLute

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #45 on: June 02, 2008, 06:29:50 PM »
Was rolling a Dhog w/ 100% fuel, rockets, and 2 1,000lbs bombs from the carrier and heard a shrill cry on range vox "Don't TAKE OFF!!! THE CARRIER IS TURNING!!! YOU WILL DIE EVERYTIME!!!"

(sigh)

Bit o' rudder, 2 notches of flaps, and I'm up.  "that's what rudder is for" was my reply.

Landing on a turning carrier is simple.  Landing on one not turning is amazingly simple.

What KILLS me are people like this thread creator who just refuse to practice anything.  If the game was EASY it wouldn't be as much fun.  Like I've told Valerio several times already, take six months and practice.

BTW, is anybody gonna bring up givin' the planes just a TOUCH of throttle and rolling backwards so they can take off easier?  I never did it, but I recall some people swearing by it to take off from CV's.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #46 on: June 02, 2008, 06:35:07 PM »
      I back up all the time when rearming non carrier planes. Even landed, rolled backwards, rearmed, and took off a 262 on carrier. Practice, practice, practice and it all becomes easy as pie.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #47 on: June 02, 2008, 06:58:15 PM »
If your having problems landing on a CV then your missing a few simple concepts. Like WW said the key is practice, training or both.

With a bit of practice its pretty easy to do, here are a few things you can practice...

1) stabalized rate of decent.

If your burying the carrier under the nose then more then likely your glidepath is too shallow. You can easily learn to stabalize a "sink rate" that leaves the nose flat to the horizon and lets you see the carrier just fine. The slower your going the higher you need to hold the nose for level flight. If your decending in controlled flight in a properly configured plane you can see the carrier right up till flareout...and even then you'll be right on top of the deck so you can see the carrier np on front/side view if needed.

2) circular approach

While its very easy to bring a bird straight in with practice using a circular approach is easier. Basically the plane is turning right up till flareout with your view being out the front/side view. Combining this with a correct rate of decent and well trimmed plane makes carrier landings simple. I can land anything on a carrier without using the wires NP. You can hit the wires at 100 IAS or less in any plane in the set with minimal issues. The only plane with any real issue is the 262 since the spool up for the engines is "lagged" and the decent rate less controllable. Its a slightly less recoverable plane...as a general rule I leave a notch of flaps and if I get to steep on the approach I can recover by unloading (releasing back pressure on stick), popping the last notch of flaps and goosing the throttle. If you keep the stick pressure back you'll just maintain a stall and much it into the fantail...

Most botched landings come from a too shallow decent combined with trying to fly the bird nose up at minimal speed. Learn to fly your regular landings on a circular "combat approach" with a higheer rate of decent and carrier landings are a breeze.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #48 on: June 02, 2008, 08:54:53 PM »
Here's a clip that kind of illustrates what I mean above. This is a carrier landing in an a-20 with both elevators gone. So there is no pitch control. Basically I need to set up a circular approach and get the rate of decent set with throttle and flaps. Once I get the sink rate set I use another notch of flaps to flare the bird out. But if you look at the last 30 seconds or so of approach you wouldnt know that the planes got no elevator input till the hard landing.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2008, 09:35:16 AM »
           Like i said. It's a simple fix.  If a running plane is on the flight deck, the CV can't be turned.  If a plane puts its tailhook down.. The CV can't be turned until the plane is recovered.  That way pilots who wanna be admirals arn't screwing up the take offs and landings of other pilots.

So a cv is being used for base attack, and the fight is fierce and has been going on for half an hour, but a set of enemy buffs is seen heading in. Some "wanna be admiral" changes the carrier course so the bombs miss. 

End results:
1(normal) -  The bombs miss the cv, and people still take off from it while its turning, continuing the attack.

2(waldron) - As the cv is about to turn someone spawns on the flight deck, so the cv is on over ride and continues a straight course. Our hero is rolling down the deck when 12,000lbs of ord smashes into the cv killing it and our hero. 


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Offline Cthulhu

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2008, 10:48:20 AM »


Here's your automatic landing system Junior.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2008, 03:01:54 PM »


Here's your automatic landing system Junior.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2008, 03:11:57 PM »
For something so easily "practiced" and "adusted" for... i see DOZENS of planes CRASHING every night trying to land and take off from turning carriers.   Some of these pilots may be NEW to carrier operations, but they ALL arn't inexperienced and unpracticed pilots.  That bucket just doesn't hold any water.   I've heard plenty of people in this game claim they can do all kind of things nobody else seems to be able to reproduce. 
You only see the "crashing" ones...but you don't see the ones that actually get off with ease.
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2008, 09:36:01 PM »
Did anyone see my message on 200 last night when I took off from a turning CV????
For those that missed it...
SD67  200: OMFG I just took off from a turning CV! HAX!
SO there... it CAN be done!
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #54 on: June 04, 2008, 02:36:09 PM »
    Yes. With enough practice you can do all kinds of "Stunts" the average player can not do, that is if you're lucky and you don't slam into a destroyer speeding across the path of the flightdeck because the CVTF is turning.   Does that make you smarter than someone else who isn't willing to spend hours and hours of expensive internet time trying to accomplish the same thing when it shouldn't even be necessary.  Think about it.
    Futhermore, if we're willing to suspend realism for ease of game play in areas like equipment malfunction, radio damage, longer nighttime intervals, dud ordinance, reload times, ect. ect. ect.  I don't see where "auto" landings becomes something akin to ruining the game.  It sounds a bit hypocritical to me.  Especially when you already have "auto" take offs.  Which by the way, don't work off a turning CV.  Anymore than auto landings would i suppose without some changes in the way CV's operate.
    I do have compromise i will suggest that might satisfy both the purists and others.  Allow "auto" landings, but simply charge a mission point deduction for using it.  The same could be done with "auto" take offs.   That way the people who want to practice, practice and practice would be rewarded, and those who just want to start playing without all the B.S. would be accomidated as well.
    Seems like a smart compromise for AH to me.  Afterall they want to appeal to the LARGEST audience.  Not just the purists and people who have enough money they don't have to worry about internet service overage charges.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #55 on: June 04, 2008, 03:03:21 PM »
 Ummmm offline practice= no internet charges!!!

 Things are dumbed down enough.

 OH and what if your plane is damaged??? auto landing,
 would still work??

 Geeze,why not just use AI and let the computer do it all for you... :o :o :o

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2008, 03:06:57 PM »
    Does that make you smarter than someone else who isn't willing to spend hours and hours of expensive internet time trying to accomplish the same thing when it shouldn't even be necessary.  Think about it.

Absolutely. It shouldn't even take an hour to learn how to land.
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As an aside, you logged more than 6 hours, per day, of time in flight last month. This BS about not being able to practice offline due to internet overage charges is so stupid as to not require any more mocking of your ideas. I'm glad you hate this game, and I hope it gives you years of frustration.

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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2008, 03:17:26 PM »
takeoff and landing are hardly "stunts", they fall under basic training. an LSO of some kind would be cool though - I always liked the FA-18 Hornet LSO "calling the ball". thinking about it, that game is probably why I always find myself approaching at 10deg even though its not an angled deck :D
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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2008, 05:27:05 PM »

As an aside, you logged more than 6 hours, per day, of time in flight last month.

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Holy crap! I wish I had that kind of time. Must have spent it all in bombers.

Me? I want LCOS like in the TA as I can't shoot fer s...crap

It would only be fair as other people are good shots.


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Re: Auto landing into carrier?
« Reply #59 on: June 04, 2008, 10:02:49 PM »
How can you log that kind of time and still not be able to land on a CV? even more amazing how do you log that kind of time and still come up with ridiculous  posts?! Im blown away!!  :noid
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