It's all a matter of P.O.V.....

[BnZ]

Just an exercise in putting things into perspective...

Say a two plane flight is making its way into enemy territory. Say they spot a lone bandit. Now, the two ship flight has a choice. One of them can "duel" the bandit to the finish, or they can try to attack it as a team.

Now while the bandit would probably prefer the former, there are many defensible reasons for the two ship flight to choose the latter option-they are deep in enemy territory, there are a unknown number of bandits with unknown energy states that could enter the fight at any moment. So it is entirely logical and defensible for them to want to destroy the bandit they are engaging as quickly and efficiently as possible, so as to be better prepared for whatever they may be encountering in short order.

Let us imagine that our two ship flight knows what they are doing, and the bandit finds himself sandwiched between them and in a situation that is obviously not going to end well. If he has the speed, he might choose to dive towards help, or at least escape. Now from the viewpoint of the two attackers, this might be the action of  a "lame runtard". But from the bandit's perspective, he is just diving away from a couple of
"lame gang-pickers" who tried to shoot him down with an unfair advantage.

So the bandit extends away, with two ships in pursuit. Perhaps the bandit drags them towards, say, a two plane flight from his own country. They engage, and our original bandit turns back to fight. Now the odds are three to two. From the original flight's perspective, the bandit is a "coward who ran until he had friends." From the bandit's point of view, 3 to 2 odds ARE fairer than 2 to 1, and those two cons deserve what they get for trying to "gang-bang" him in the first place...and so it goes.

Lack of  a wide perspective of this sort is IMO how there comes to be so much wailing and gnashing of teeth on the forums about how "bad the game play has gotten lately." I don't have any brilliant solution for this problem, I get as frustrated as the next guy when circumstances go against me. My only advice is to take a deep breath, don't go in expecting a "fair" play from the other guy, and figure out what you need to do to get even, rather than getting mad.

[Motherland]

Yep. This very much affects the way I play and how I react when I get shot down (thinking of it from the other POV).

[BlkKnit]

stop

making

sense



geez, what are you trying to do, heal old wounds or something? 

 

[ViperDriver]

Venture out into the big, bad AHII world by yourself...14.95/mo
Come up against a smart pair of wingmen...soiled pants
Having the guts, patience and skill to kill 'em both...priceless!

 

[BnZ]

Ah, so by your standards, the bandit was unsporting for running until odds are better? That is one way of looking at it.

From other people's perspective, the other guys might be unsporting...by that opinion, they should have offered the bandit two "duels" rather than attempting the gang-bang.

See...it is all very debatable...which is exactly my point.

[moot]

That's a generalized situation, BnZ. You need specifics to make a decision in this case.. What are the planes, alt, speed, etc, how far are the bases for each country involved and what are the darbars/dots like nearby, who are the players, were there antecedents, etc.

[Roundeye]

I don't think about it so much.  Just have fun, otherwise you are blowing $14.95 a month that could be spent on more beer.

Aces High can be summed up by the words of Mark Knopfler: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.   

[BnZ]

Aces High can be summed up by the words of Mark Knopfler: Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.   

                     

[CAP1]

Just an exercise in putting things into perspective...

Say a two plane flight is making its way into enemy territory. Say they spot a lone bandit. Now, the two ship flight has a choice. One of them can "duel" the bandit to the finish, or they can try to attack it as a team.

Now while the bandit would probably prefer the former, there are many defensible reasons for the two ship flight to choose the latter option-they are deep in enemy territory, there are a unknown number of bandits with unknown energy states that could enter the fight at any moment. So it is entirely logical and defensible for them to want to destroy the bandit they are engaging as quickly and efficiently as possible, so as to be better prepared for whatever they may be encountering in short order.

Let us imagine that our two ship flight knows what they are doing, and the bandit finds himself sandwiched between them and in a situation that is obviously not going to end well. If he has the speed, he might choose to dive towards help, or at least escape. Now from the viewpoint of the two attackers, this might be the action of  a "lame runtard". But from the bandit's perspective, he is just diving away from a couple of
"lame gang-pickers" who tried to shoot him down with an unfair advantage.

So the bandit extends away, with two ships in pursuit. Perhaps the bandit drags them towards, say, a two plane flight from his own country. They engage, and our original bandit turns back to fight. Now the odds are three to two. From the original flight's perspective, the bandit is a "coward who ran until he had friends." From the bandit's point of view, 3 to 2 odds ARE fairer than 2 to 1, and those two cons deserve what they get for trying to "gang-bang" him in the first place...and so it goes.

Lack of  a wide perspective of this sort is IMO how there comes to be so much wailing and gnashing of teeth on the forums about how "bad the game play has gotten lately." I don't have any brilliant solution for this problem, I get as frustrated as the next guy when circumstances go against me. My only advice is to take a deep breath, don't go in expecting a "fair" play from the other guy, and figure out what you need to do to get even, rather than getting mad.

although it's almost a sure thing i'd die before killing either one of them, i'd welcome an engagement like that. as long as they're not both bnz'ing me that is.

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[PFactorDave]

The OP has nailed it in my opinion.  Which is why I totally ignore all of the "so-called" hard core players who are constantly whining about nobody going 1vs1 against them.

I'm more then happy to let a 1vs1 happen, if that's what the green guy involved wants.  Had that happen earlier today in fact.  Came across a 1vs1 and got a call from the green pilot asking me to stay out of it.  No problem, more then happy to spectate, I might learn something.

Otherwise, I won't hesitate to pull the trigger if I find a red con in front of my guns.  Period.  Fortunately for the red con, I miss a lot. 

[BaldEagl]

Who cares.  Live or die.  Have fun.

I ran into both of these situations today. 

In the first I was in a Spit engaged with a group of 190's all with alt on me.  To make matters worse I was nearer their field than mine.  I kept engaging then got a chance to run a little, then had to reverse and re-engage, then run a little.  Eventually I was almost home when a N1K joined them forcing me to remain engaged.  That was it.

Later, I was informally winging with a countyman.  We engaged three bogies, all co-E or with the E advantage and (I) downed all three.  With due respect my wingie pretty much stayed off the second and third, but I'm sure his presence played a part in the outcome.

Even later, I engaged two Yaks.  When I killed the first the second one ran.  I just turned and flew home with my one kill, but as I was flying away an La-7 flew into the picture and the Yak also turned back to me.  The La didn't want to fight and flew off at an angle and, seeing that, the Yak turned and ran again.

In the end did I care about any of these?  Only in that I was having fun.  Each and every time.

[Anaxogoras]

stop

making

sense

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !   I just can't handle so much logic and reason.

[Ghosth]

Absolutely correct BnZ, your viewpoint changes everything. Be it cherry picking to gangbanging.
What is cherry picking from one side of the monitor is just flying smart from the other.

Good post!

[33Vortex]

Now I don't recall atm who said this but:

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did something terribly wrong."


It's just the way war is, most people would rather live and do whatever it takes to survive. If you have orders that you don't like, you find ways to improve your chances.

And I think you are completely correct, people lacking perspective turns into whiners.

[Shane]

Nothing wrong with the challenge of taking on a pair of BnZ wingmen, as long as they don't take 15 mins to do it... kill me with guns not boredom.