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« Reply #60 on: July 25, 2008, 11:46:36 PM »
I'll save you the trouble

"GE did about $270 million in business last year in Iran, representing less than 1% of its revenue, Sheffer said. Through a foreign subsidiary, GE has provided hydroelectric equipment, medical equipment, and oil and gas equipment in Iran."

Is what I could find.  This doesn't sound bad to be as usually this kind of stuff is allowed even with sanctions.  However, they have stated they have stopped doing business in iran.  This was 2005.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/manufacturing/2005-02-02-ge-iran_x.htm

Its USA based company could not under USA laws about USA based companies dealing with countries sponsoring terrorism. However, their foreign subsidiaries can.

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« Reply #61 on: July 25, 2008, 11:56:10 PM »
There have always been skeptics.

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  • The sun spins around the earth.
  • Balloons can't fly.
  • Airplanes can't fly.
  • Airplanes can't fly without propellers.
  • Airplanes can't fly past the speed of sound.
  • Man can't live in space.
  • Man can't land on the moon.
  • Computers can't be smaller than a refridgerator.

Do you see a pattern?
  • Windmills can't produce enough energy.
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« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2008, 03:22:10 AM »
So General Electric is going to stop doing business in Iran and sell us windmills? I really wish it wasn't General Electric because I can no longer discuss his plan objectively, and it really does fail objectively. But I have no use for GE, so I can't discuss it objectively.

LOL... 'discuss the plan objectively?" Dude, you've never even read the damn plan.... and yah haven't yet objectively addressed the issues.

"It's GE?" <head twirl and shoulder roll>   "..talk to the hand!"

What kinda car yah drive? Ford? Chevy? They do more business in Iran than GE does. Like Coke? Pepsi? They're in Iran. Goodyear; Polaroid, Yup. All these outfits, and more; are doing business in Iran. Who's yer bank? Betcha they're doin business there. Lastly... oh, and this is rich... BUY ANY STINKING FOREIGN OIL LATELY? OR DO YAH RIDE A FREAKIN BICYCLE?

See yah at wallmart, bub. While we're waiting on the checkout line we can discuss what a rotten bucha dicks those outfits are... imagine; doing business with the enemy. Oh, by the way, give my regards to Chairman Mao's ghost and the resta the little crooked commie bastards and murdering fanatics we're doing business with on this planet. Oh, and don't forget to tip the illegal's cutting yer lawn. #wink#wink#

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« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2008, 04:11:28 AM »
I could bring up a certain family that did buisness with Nazi Germany during WW2...
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« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2008, 06:10:20 AM »
I guess everyone has become a slave to marketing.  If they tell us it is true, then it must be true.

His plan is a pure snowjob.  An excellent marketing document.  They tried a small wind farm here once. After 5 years it was pulled down.  Had it gone on line, it would have cost five times more to run than other alternatives.

The maintenance costs for wind power is as high as a nuclear power plant while generating a micro amount of the power a nuclear plant does, 

Sure, if you like short term thinking, then go for it.  This is definitely short term thinking at its finest.

The problem here is, there are other alternatives, that actually work.  They are not being discussed because no one has bothered to write a marketing paper for them, like this gentleman has.  Our country is a country of short term thinking though.  Even though it creates more problems than it solves, no one seems to care and we keep doing it over and over again.

I remember when this same argument was about nuclear power plants.  Well, long term, those have not held up to what everyone expected and was told.  There was another time when coal plants were all the rage as well.  We know how that went.  I guess, eventually, we will get decent power solutions.  We just have to wait until someone with enough money decides for us that it is time for those solutions.

As most have noticed, if you have bothered to read any of my diatribes, I do not delve in specifics.  That is because I could care less about mankind anymore.  I do not think it is worth salvaging at this point in time.  After going through the number of idiotic investors I have gone through, I finally quit beating my head against the wall.  I am not nearly as frustrated as I used to be.

Here is a bone to consider.  You do not need to store electricity to have a power backup solution to your primary service.  The Sun can be used to generate primary power, and that power can continue over night as well, without using batteries or some other electrical storage device.  I know, because I am doing it.  It will cost me some maintenance.  About one to two hundred dollars a year.  I'll have more precise numbers in a few years.

In the meantime, go back to your marketing plan and keep telling yourself, and others, how grand it is.  At least it has some comic value.
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« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2008, 06:24:53 AM »
I want to add this as a separate post.  Here is how I know no one is really serious about this.  If you were, your home would be using an air conditioner that consumes 1/2 the power of the current ones available in the market.  If you were serious, your heating would use 1/3 the power of the current units.  If you were serious, your home would need 1/2 the power it needs now.

All the above is technology available today.  Yet, you will never see it in your lifetime.  How do I know it is available?  I invented it all and eventually it will be in my home.  I am not rich, so it will take a long time to get done.  You will not find patents on it.  It does not exist.  No one wants it to exist.  I am bitter enough about it, that my home will be destroyed when I die and so will all my creations.

But keep ranting about how we *need* better solutions for power.  I am sure there is a marketing plan out there you can sink your teeth into and get behind.
« Last Edit: July 26, 2008, 06:51:45 AM by Bones »

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« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2008, 06:30:06 AM »
You should do the right thing because it's right, not because others approve or disapprove of it.
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« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2008, 06:48:19 AM »
It is not about approval.  It is about money.  I have spent all my life savings on my ideas.  I have no retirement.  I will work until the day I die.  If I lose my home, I can assure you I will destroy all my work and documentation.

For some reason, I thought investors would jump on the ideas.  I was wrong.  I made a serious error in judgement.  You see, the investors want full disclosure on the idea before they decide to invest.  Showing them it works is not enough.  Of course, I know what has happened to many inventors in the past when they did that.  They lost everything as the investor simply stole the idea, and claimed it for themselves.

It is the nature of our society.  It took me a long time to come to grips with the fact that I will never be rich and should simply stop wasting my time trying.  My time is better spent figuring out ways to reduce my cost of living so I can hang on to my home when I finally get to the point where they will no longer allow me to work.

You can take all the idealistic crap and shove it.  There will always be some rich person who will be happy to provide a marketing plan the masses will drool over.

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« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2008, 07:10:04 AM »
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I truly dont this answer...Does any 'wind farm; equal a standard coal-fired power plant? And if not, how many windmills WOULD it take?

A typical 3 mw wind turbine has a rotor diameter of about 300 feet, and is 400+ ft high. Whilst it's rated at 3 mw, it will typically generate about 750 kw/h an hour.

Coal power stations vary in size greatly. The largest in the US that I know of is a 3.4 gigawatt plant. For comparison I'll use a 2 gw plant.

The coal power station has a much higher load factor, which means it produces a much higher percentage of it's theoretical power. A 2 gw plant will typically generate 1.5 gw/h an hour, on average.

That means you need 2,000 3mw wind turbines to equal the power of one large coal plant.


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« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2008, 07:17:23 AM »
Bones I'm not feeding you any crap.  If it seems like the right thing that no one deserves to know, then do it. I just thought it was inconsistent to attempt to spread something as needed as that, and be put off by a few bad apples.
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« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2008, 10:01:29 AM »
Just in case you haven't seen these yet:
http://www.energy.ca.gov/research/innovations/index.html - 30 grants/yr at 50 to 90 thousand bucks in this one.. Evaluated by experts... I dunno if this conflicts with your intention to keep the specifics under wraps for now.
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« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2008, 10:30:12 AM »
That is a clumsy poor mans argument.  The most cheritable and caring people I know are rich.  There are stingy rich people who care for only themselves, but to paint them all the same is ignorant.  It is like calling all poor people lazy and stupid.  You can't say such things.  You are not contributing to this argument by making such careless comparisons.

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Re: T Boone Pickens
« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2008, 11:11:07 AM »


It has always seemed to me that solar and wind power are usually best as point of use energy sources.  With a grid backup, generated by nuclear or clean coal technology. 
And yes, get a lot smarter about the kinds of appliances we use and the size and quality of our home construction.


Bones,

No offense intended, but when you state your case like that, you sound a little like one of Art Bell's guests.  :D

Seriously dude, your work sound interesting.  I'd consult a patent attorney.  It might cost what, 15k for a patent?  You could scrape that together in a year of delivering pizza’s at night and weekends.  Or mowing grass.  If you had a patent pending and a functioning prototype, I don’t see how you’d have any problem acquiring some venture capital.

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« Reply #73 on: July 26, 2008, 12:45:15 PM »
It is not about approval.  It is about money.  I have spent all my life savings on my ideas.  I have no retirement.  I will work until the day I die.  If I lose my home, I can assure you I will destroy all my work and documentation.

For some reason, I thought investors would jump on the ideas.  I was wrong.  I made a serious error in judgement.  You see, the investors want full disclosure on the idea before they decide to invest.  Showing them it works is not enough.  Of course, I know what has happened to many inventors in the past when they did that.  They lost everything as the investor simply stole the idea, and claimed it for themselves.

It is the nature of our society.  It took me a long time to come to grips with the fact that I will never be rich and should simply stop wasting my time trying.  My time is better spent figuring out ways to reduce my cost of living so I can hang on to my home when I finally get to the point where they will no longer allow me to work.

You can take all the idealistic crap and shove it.  There will always be some rich person who will be happy to provide a marketing plan the masses will drool over.

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« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2008, 12:55:54 PM »
LOL... 'discuss the plan objectively?" Dude, you've never even read the damn plan.... and yah haven't yet objectively addressed the issues.

"It's GE?" <head twirl and shoulder roll>   "..talk to the hand!"

What kinda car yah drive? Ford? Chevy? They do more business in Iran than GE does. Like Coke? Pepsi? They're in Iran. Goodyear; Polaroid, Yup. All these outfits, and more; are doing business in Iran. Who's yer bank? Betcha they're doin business there. Lastly... oh, and this is rich... BUY ANY STINKING FOREIGN OIL LATELY? OR DO YAH RIDE A FREAKIN BICYCLE?

See yah at wallmart, bub. While we're waiting on the checkout line we can discuss what a rotten bucha dicks those outfits are... imagine; doing business with the enemy. Oh, by the way, give my regards to Chairman Mao's ghost and the resta the little crooked commie bastards "and murdering fanatics we're doing business with on this planet. Oh, and don't forget to tip the illegal's cutting yer lawn. #wink#wink#

Wake the hell up, america.

"Dude" (what are you - 15?) do you think Pickens is the first to milk the windmill subsidies? I've read about whats going on in Texas and the opposition to it.  As far as the rest of the stuff, you're off in space. Have a nice trip and let me know when you get back.