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Offline Maniac

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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #135 on: August 20, 2008, 10:03:03 AM »
Word is out that the Russians are handing out Russian passports to a minority group in Ukraine.

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In the past week Ukrainian politicians have claimed that Russia has been doling out passports to residents of the Crimea, which has strong allegiances to Moscow, raising fears about the Kremlin's intentions in the region.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/georgia/2580734/Russian-president-Dmitry-Medvedev-vows-further-retribution-against-Georgia.html
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #136 on: August 20, 2008, 10:10:40 AM »
Quote from: Maniac on August 20, 2008, 10:03:03 AM
Word is out that the Russians are handing out Russian passports to a minority group in Ukraine.

Looks like the Ukraine is next.  :rolleyes:
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Offline AKIron

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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #137 on: August 20, 2008, 12:12:09 PM »
I'd suggest we begin handing out US passports to Russian citizens but we've been doing that since '91 and have plenty of them living here. Maybe we should send them back to claim russia as the 51st state?

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or 58th state if you ask Obama  ;)
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #138 on: August 20, 2008, 12:27:21 PM »
Quote from: RTR on August 20, 2008, 01:37:36 AM
HEY BTW! you old SOD!

When are you coming back to terrorize me with that Dora?

I miss ya Bro!

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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #139 on: August 20, 2008, 12:38:05 PM »
Quote from: Baitman on August 20, 2008, 12:56:04 AM
Problem with letting the taliban have any ground is that it becomes propaganda against us. They will tell others that they have won victory and they are pushing us back. Just today 10 French soldiers gave their lives for Afghanastans freedom.

Perhaps after we kick Russia's bellybutton the Taliban might be a bit more compliant. I'm betting Iran will.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #140 on: August 20, 2008, 12:41:27 PM »
Quote from: Elfie on August 20, 2008, 01:12:34 AM
Putting an armored brigade in country just might have done the trick. Of course, Russia would have been screaming bloody murder over us putting a brigade in their back yard.

I wish we had done something like that. But of course, "if we had" doesn't count for beans' now. We have to measure our response as to what we've gotta do at this moment. The Russians' still won't honor the pullbacks' mentioned in the peace treaty.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080820/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia

This situation's still kinda tense, with the Russian Stalling. I mean, How far into Georgia have they gone? 70 miles? The Motor-Rifle elements' deployed in Georgia should be able to do that more or less in a day.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #141 on: August 20, 2008, 12:41:29 PM »
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #142 on: August 20, 2008, 12:42:45 PM »
The fact is that our military is thin right now and Russia knows it.  We can't do squat militarily to Russia right now with our current strategic situation in the middle east and asia, short of merely bombing them and that alone might do more harm than good.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #143 on: August 20, 2008, 12:44:50 PM »
Quote from: AKIron on August 20, 2008, 12:38:05 PM
Perhaps after we kick Russia's bellybutton the Taliban might be a bit more compliant. I'm betting Iran will.

Good point there, AKIron-Russian relations' with the Iranians, and helping them with their Nuclear program, are at stake here too. The White House want's Russia's help on curbing Iranian Nuclear ambitions, but they might not play ball with this situation in Georgia, and the new missile deals' signed in Poland and the Ukraine. This might be the beginning of a larger conflict.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #144 on: August 20, 2008, 12:46:23 PM »
Quote from: Anaxogoras on August 20, 2008, 12:42:45 PM
The fact is that our military is thin right now and Russia knows it.  We can't do squat militarily to Russia right now with our current strategic situation in the middle east and asia, short of merely bombing them and that alone might do more harm than good.

The Georgians' got routed because of a lack of air cover-If we could have won Air superiority for them, this whole thing could have had a different outcome.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #145 on: August 20, 2008, 01:00:21 PM »
Free Passports: The New Russian Excuse For Invasion.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #146 on: August 20, 2008, 01:13:13 PM »
This guy lays it out pretty well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080820.wwcogeorgia20/BNStory/International/home


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If Ukraine is allowed to enter NATO, all other members must be ready to send their troops to defend its borders - an outlandish notion for most of them. Would German troops go back to the Ukrainian front? Would the Italians? Or the British, for that matter? Yet, to refuse Ukraine's admission now would surely hand it over to Russian hegemony.

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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #147 on: August 20, 2008, 01:35:14 PM »
Quote from: Toad on August 20, 2008, 01:13:13 PM
This guy lays it out pretty well.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080820.wwcogeorgia20/BNStory/International/home


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That's what it seems' to be. Especially when you consider the way that Putin managed to sidestep his own constitution to stay in power as the de facto leader of Russia, basically reducing their president Medvedev to a figurehead position.

All of the European nations' are simply gonna add up the sum total's of Russia's regression to it's old self, and they are gonna start choosing sides.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #148 on: August 20, 2008, 04:18:34 PM »
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One way or the other, Europe's holiday from serious geopolitics is over.

The party is over, time to get back to work.
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Re: What should be done about Russias occupation of Georgia?
« Reply #149 on: August 20, 2008, 04:31:22 PM »
Quote from: FrodeMk3 on August 20, 2008, 12:46:23 PM
The Georgians' got routed because of a lack of air cover-If we could have won Air superiority for them, this whole thing could have had a different outcome.

Right, we're supposed to start shooting down Russian attack aircraft. :rolleyes:  Unless we were willing to back that up 100% with our Navy and Army, it would be a diplomatic/strategic disaster.
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