Hiding the Lockheed plant during WWII

[Ack-Ack]

Sounds more like a propaganda act. Surely made the people feel like they were under immediate threat.

-C+

http://www.godickson.com/locpla1.htm

It had nothing to do with propoganda and very much to do with legitimate fears of a Japanese attack on the West Coast.  The fear was very real, there were numerous sightings (both confirmed and unconfirmed) of Japanese submarines and on June 21, 1942, the Japanese submarine I-25 shelled a small coastal defense installation on the Oregon coast.  Then there was the "Battle for Los Angeles" fiasco.


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[RATTFINK]

It had nothing to do with propoganda and very much to do with legitimate fears of a Japanese attack on the West Coast.  The fear was very real, there were numerous sightings (both confirmed and unconfirmed) of Japanese submarines and on June 21, 1942, the Japanese submarine I-25 shelled a small coastal defense installation on the Oregon coast.  Then there was the "Battle for Los Angeles" fiasco.


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[MiloMorai]

That is what the "D" stands for.

Holy Shiete, never knew that!!! Thanks.

[Captain Virgil Hilts]

Lockheed was building B-17's at the Burbank plant, if memory serves correct. They even built a prototype with four Allison engines. It was fast, and had range. An electrical fire destroyed it, again, if memory serves correct.

The really odd thing is that Consolidated Vultee in Nashville was the second source for the P-38. See the problem? An aircraft company geared towards large aircraft was told to produce P-38's, the most difficult plane to build in World War II, while the company that designed the P-38 was told to build B-17's. Consolidated never got the hang of building P-38's, they took years to build 113. Imagine what would have happened had common sense prevailed, and Consolidated had been tasked with building the B-17's Lockheed was told to build, and Lockheed had been allowed to devote the B-17 lines to production of P-38's.

[Masherbrum]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles

 

[Schlowy]

Within days of pearl harbor:
Somewhere in USA, 6th graders in a school classroom, teacher pulls down a world map, points, and says 'this is japan'...
The 6thgrader's response was 'that little place attacked us?'
LOL
Nobody was skeerd.

[Chalenge]

We could not fight WWII today. In WWII the 'greatest generation' went without sugar rubber nylon chocolate coffee cigarettes copper and many many other things and not just for a few months it went on for years.

Today the price of gas goes up a dollar and the whining never ends.

The next war will probably be with North Korea or China or maybe both. Their citizens will be todays 'greatest generation' because the things they will have to do without they never had. Their government doesnt tie the hands of their military and they probably would have no qualms about using biological weapons.

We water board a few people and Congress starts yelling 'impeach.'

All of our stuff is made in China. I wonder if they will honor their trade agreement after the war starts?

Pretty cool how hollywood set makers helped in that war by coming up with ways to hide our industries. Now hollywood roots for the enemy.

[Serenity]

We could not fight WWII today. In WWII the 'greatest generation' went without sugar rubber nylon chocolate coffee cigarettes copper and many many other things and not just for a few months it went on for years.

Today the price of gas goes up a dollar and the whining never ends.

The next war will probably be with North Korea or China or maybe both. Their citizens will be todays 'greatest generation' because the things they will have to do without they never had. Their government doesnt tie the hands of their military and they probably would have no qualms about using biological weapons.

We water board a few people and Congress starts yelling 'impeach.'

All of our stuff is made in China. I wonder if they will honor their trade agreement after the war starts?

Pretty cool how hollywood set makers helped in that war by coming up with ways to hide our industries. Now hollywood roots for the enemy.

I agree. Hopefully though if it should come to that, America's citizens will get their **** together in time to save ourselves and pull another victory out of our arses.

[Schlowy]

summed up: USA wasn't skeerd, they were.

They failed:
I) Had Japan actually taken Pearl Harbor (Hawaii), maybe USA peeps would have been nervous, but even with their 'sneak attack,' they couldn't take it. USA wasn't skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
2) USA carriers weren't in Pearl Harbor, even Yamamoto said  "I FEAR all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." A few hours after they started it, Japan was skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote

They got pwnt:
3) Only 12 days after Pearl Harbor: Flying Tigers, USA pilots in USA planes, P40s, are kicking Japan arse on thier side of the world. USA airpower was 'over there' before pearl harbor - Japan's attack wasn't so secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_tigers
4) Only 4 months after Pearl Harbor: April 42, "Doolittles Raiders" - USA did bomb mainland Japan, from a USA carrier group on a one way flight over Japan to China. Japan's skeerd reality was falling on their heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
(May of 42, USA stops Japan from invading Austrailia, 'Battle of Coral Sea.")
5) Only 6 months after Pearl Harbor: June 42, "Battle of Midway,"  - Japan's 'failure of an offensive force' is sank when they tried to take a teeny tiny island, Midway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway
6) Only 8 months after Pearl Harbor, August 42, Guadalcanal Campaign - USA's takes a Japan occupied island, the path of 'Island hopping' to Japan's mainland is in motion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_Campaign

pwnt, sooo sowwy

[Spikes]

Of course, they bombed Pearl Harbor didn't they?



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Nice one

[Rino]

summed up: USA wasn't skeerd, they were.

They failed:
I) Had Japan actually taken Pearl Harbor (Hawaii), maybe USA peeps would have been nervous, but even with their 'sneak attack,' they couldn't take it. USA wasn't skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
2) USA carriers weren't in Pearl Harbor, even Yamamoto said  "I FEAR all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." A few hours after they started it, Japan was skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote

They got pwnt:
3) Only 12 days after Pearl Harbor: Flying Tigers, USA pilots in USA planes, P40s, are kicking Japan arse on thier side of the world. USA airpower was 'over there' before pearl harbor - Japan's attack wasn't so secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_tigers
4) Only 4 months after Pearl Harbor: April 42, "Doolittles Raiders" - USA did bomb mainland Japan, from a USA carrier group on a one way flight over Japan to China. Japan's skeerd reality was falling on their heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
(May of 42, USA stops Japan from invading Austrailia, 'Battle of Coral Sea.")
5) Only 6 months after Pearl Harbor: June 42, "Battle of Midway,"  - Japan's 'failure of an offensive force' is sank when they tried to take a teeny tiny island, Midway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway
6) Only 8 months after Pearl Harbor, August 42, Guadalcanal Campaign - USA's takes a Japan occupied island, the path of 'Island hopping' to Japan's mainland is in motion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_Campaign

pwnt, sooo sowwy

Maybe they didn't have the advantage of hindsight.

[Bronk]

I see a png otw.

[Serenity]

summed up: USA wasn't skeerd, they were.

They failed:
I) Had Japan actually taken Pearl Harbor (Hawaii), maybe USA peeps would have been nervous, but even with their 'sneak attack,' they couldn't take it. USA wasn't skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
2) USA carriers weren't in Pearl Harbor, even Yamamoto said  "I FEAR all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." A few hours after they started it, Japan was skeerd.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isoroku_Yamamoto%27s_sleeping_giant_quote

They got pwnt:
3) Only 12 days after Pearl Harbor: Flying Tigers, USA pilots in USA planes, P40s, are kicking Japan arse on thier side of the world. USA airpower was 'over there' before pearl harbor - Japan's attack wasn't so secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_tigers
4) Only 4 months after Pearl Harbor: April 42, "Doolittles Raiders" - USA did bomb mainland Japan, from a USA carrier group on a one way flight over Japan to China. Japan's skeerd reality was falling on their heads.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doolittle_Raid
(May of 42, USA stops Japan from invading Austrailia, 'Battle of Coral Sea.")
5) Only 6 months after Pearl Harbor: June 42, "Battle of Midway,"  - Japan's 'failure of an offensive force' is sank when they tried to take a teeny tiny island, Midway.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Midway
6) Only 8 months after Pearl Harbor, August 42, Guadalcanal Campaign - USA's takes a Japan occupied island, the path of 'Island hopping' to Japan's mainland is in motion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guadalcanal_Campaign

pwnt, sooo sowwy

Not a bad timeline, but the wikipidea makes me question the research that went into it.

[Nilsen]

Does anyone read the full story of a post anymore?

what post?

[Rich46yo]

In the hindesight looking glass of history its difficult to imagine any Japanese leaders actually believed victory was possible against the Pacific allies in '41. I know their objecive was only to buy time in order to consolidate their conquests but even that reasoning is deeply flawed because whats the point of "buying time" if youv started a war you couldnt possibly win in the long run?

Japan had no decent armor, no radar, no parachute regiments, no long range bombers. They garrisoned the perimeter of a huge , far flung Empire with troops they had limited ability to supply. They had no convoy plans or assets available to assign to convoy duty. They had a very limited shipbuilding/Industrial capacity. They had decent submarines with good torpedoes but never really developed effective doctrine to make the best use of them.

I could list a thousand reasons why they should have realized in '41 that is was suicide to attack America and her allies in the Pacific.

So in hindsight it seems silly Lockheed would go to such lengths to hide its industry against the few crummy float planes the Jap submarine force could drum up. But I guess in 1941 the fear was real.