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Offline kamilyun

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Re: Pelosi Spoils the Deal!
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2008, 08:37:07 PM »
Your chitin me.....this is true?

From something I copied and pasted, I closed the link before I could credit them:

Barney Frank, who is openly gay, had a past romantic relationship with Herb Moses, an executive for Fannie Mae. Barney Frank’s involvement was alleged to have persuaded him to cook the books (finance accounts) for Fannie Mae.

The Washington Post reported this story in its Reliable Source column in July 3, 1998. By the time the story broke in The Washington Post, the newspaper admitted that Barney Frank and Herb Moses had broken up. However, this was conflicting as Barney Frank was heard referring to Herb Moses as his “spouse.” Another report from the same newspaper said Barney Frank called Herb Moses as his “lover”. The two men had remained friends despite the said breakup. The romantic affair ended around 1998, ten years ago.

Barney Frank is accused of misleading the officials about the finance situation in Fannie Mae because his friend ( or spouse/lover) Herb Moses was a top executive in the mortgage firm. Herb Moses left Fannie Mae in 1998 and ended his relationship with Barney Frank at around the same time.

Offline Mr No Name

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Re: Pelosi Spoils the Deal!
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2008, 08:39:00 PM »
I wanna puke....

Not on the carpet, please!
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Re: Pelosi Spoils the Deal!
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2008, 08:42:29 PM »
Barney Frank's grubby fingerprints are all over this fiasco.  The arrogant jerk has no shame.  He and other prominent democrats worked overtime to kill the Bush lending regulatory package of 2003, perhaps the most sweeping package of its type ever proposed.

Steps were proposed FIVE YEARS AGO that could have averted this mess....but they were derailed by Barney and Friends.

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« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2008, 08:46:02 PM »
Congress cant even keep it straight. Our government needs to be reinvigorated with fresh blood by forcing term limitations upon all elected positions.

Straight-up term limits won't work, because running the govt does require a bit of experience.  If you have 100% term limits, you'll end up with non-elected clerks running the country because THEY won't have term limits and they'll get laws passed that makes it almost impossible to fire them.

Yes we need term limits, but it must be done like this:

(The core idea is a limit of 2 terms with 20% retained by peer vote, the rest of the rules are mostly explanatory)

1.  The "standard" term limit is 2 terms.
2.  20% of the members of congress can be selectively retained under the following conditions.
2.1  The retained members must be re-elected in their district or state (of course).
2.2  Members of congress will select the members who will be retained.
2.2.1  The selection process will use a secret ballot by current members of congress 90 calendar days prior to each election, to determine who is eligible for retention (making them eligible to run for office beyond the 2-term limit).
2.2.2  Each party is allocated retained members at the same proportion of their current party strength.
2.2.3  Members with no party affiliation, or members who's party has only one person in office, will be aggregated as a "third party" and allocated retained members in proportion to their relative strength vs. the congress as a whole, to ensure that small or third parties can retain members.
3.  Previous retention status is not grounds for future retention.
4.  Once a member fails to be selected as eligible for retention, they can not run for re-election.
5.  Members of the House of Representative may run for the Senate after reaching term limits, and vice versa, however each member is only allowed one trip to each body (subject to rule 6).
6.  Members removed from congress after reaching term limits may run for office again 10 years after the end of their last term.
7.  The speaker of the House is the member with the longest stay in office, not necessarily someone from the party with the most members.

Other options include selecting retained members by peer vote without regard to party affiliation.  This could lead to a less partisan approach by the congress as a whole, however it could also result in huge instability if relative party strength shifts dramatically in one election cycle and a lot of experienced retained members are not retained.  On the other hand, selecting retained members BEFORE the election should help smooth out the waves and ensure that the voters can over-ride retention choices.

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« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2008, 08:47:53 PM »
One source says Republicans put up historic fight to block the deal. This one says Democrats blocked the deal. You guys gotta get on the same page or you just look like a bunch of fools riding the spin bandwagon. Now get your story's straight!
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« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2008, 08:48:54 PM »
As I am at work....(when I usually read the boards and post) ....I don't have time to google much tonite....

But this whole deal....with these lil tidbits....makes me sick....I SO WANT all these f'in crooks out of office....NOW....not November...NOW....every GD one of em.
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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2008, 09:15:07 PM »
Guess what, while the US government is inept to do anything the central banks around the world are desperately trying to avoid a worldwide economic failure.

Central banks to double amount of dollar injections into market as U.S. financial crisis spreads
« Last Edit: September 29, 2008, 09:16:56 PM by mg1942 »

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« Reply #37 on: September 29, 2008, 09:21:00 PM »
On a side note: Drudge posted a picture of the speaker "presumably" from today.....she looked very VERY old.  I would have "hit it" a few months ago.  Today was surely a pass.
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Re: Pelosi Spoils the Deal!
« Reply #38 on: September 29, 2008, 09:21:45 PM »
Guess what, while the US government is inept to do anything the central banks around the world are desperately trying to avoid a worldwide economic failure.

Central banks to double amount of dollar injections into market as U.S. financial crisis spreads
Just goes to show you what a "global" market brings to the table  :O
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Re: Pelosi Spoils the Deal!
« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2008, 09:22:11 PM »
On a side note: Drudge posted a picture of the speaker "presumably" from today.....she looked very VERY old.  I would have "hit it" a few months ago.  Today was surely a pass.
I'd still hit it.... well.....  with a brick anyway.;)
« Last Edit: September 29, 2008, 10:12:53 PM by Bronk »
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Offline mg1942

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« Reply #40 on: September 29, 2008, 09:26:52 PM »
Cynics might also state that the democratic presidential candidate morphed into the Invisible Man during the debate over the bipartisan bill at a time when his influence was sorely needed.


So, it is okay for Politicians to possibly gamble with the lives of their constituents because of one stupid bipartisan speech ? If that was true, not a single one of Bush's bills would have been passed.

That being said, I have not heard any realistic reasons as to why so many Republicans did not like the bill when it came time to vote. The closest answer that made any amount of sense was the possibility that Republicans did not want to be seen supporting a Bush sponsored Bill. Besides that, there is no real answer as to why a Bill considered fair and balanced yesterday, and then earlier today, was suddenly denounced by the party that desperately needed to seem to be in charge of the issue.

Added to that, I am not sure why you are trying to blame Obama. McCain is the one who claimed the right of ownership of this bill, being the only candidate that formally vowed to vote for it. Yet, he merely sat by the phone doing nothing, and then held a press conference and started campaigning about how Obama failed.

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« Reply #41 on: September 29, 2008, 09:27:31 PM »
I's still hit it.... well.....  with a brick anyway.;)

Ooooh feel that grandma?  there it is....oooh!
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« Reply #42 on: September 29, 2008, 09:31:16 PM »

So, it is okay for Politicians to possibly gamble with the lives of their constituents because of one stupid bipartisan speech ?

That being said, I have not heard any realistic reasons as to why so many Republicans did not like the bill when it came time to vote.

Yet, he merely sat by the phone doing nothing, and then held a press conference and started campaigning about how Obama failed.

Good points mg.

All I can say is that you are watching the total "package" in action.  Even if you are partisan, keep an ever mindful eye on the bigger picture.  This is where the smaller lessor known individuals tend to shine.  Be ever watchful.

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Re: Pelosi Spoils the Deal!
« Reply #43 on: September 29, 2008, 09:51:33 PM »

So, it is okay for Politicians to possibly gamble with the lives of their constituents because of one stupid bipartisan speech ? If that was true, not a single one of Bush's bills would have been passed.

That being said, I have not heard any realistic reasons as to why so many Republicans did not like the bill when it came time to vote. The closest answer that made any amount of sense was the possibility that Republicans did not want to be seen supporting a Bush sponsored Bill. Besides that, there is no real answer as to why a Bill considered fair and balanced yesterday, and then earlier today, was suddenly denounced by the party that desperately needed to seem to be in charge of the issue.

Added to that, I am not sure why you are trying to blame Obama. McCain is the one who claimed the right of ownership of this bill, being the only candidate that formally vowed to vote for it. Yet, he merely sat by the phone doing nothing, and then held a press conference and started campaigning about how Obama failed.

Don't you just have a stamp that says "Its McCain's fault"? You know, like Staple's "easy mode" stamp? Do you not get the fact that the bill needed only 12 more votes to pass? 95 Democrats - yes DEMOCRATS - voted against it.  No one voted against the bill  because of what that idiot Pelosi said. Surely, not the 95 DEMOCRATS. They voted against the bill because the overwhelming majority of tax payers are AGAINST it. If you were taken by surprise, its no one's fault but the out of touch media and the out of touch Washington leadership. Last time I checked, we still employed THEM.

Do you get the fact that the Democrats could pass this themselves tomorrow? Why don't they? Because they don't want to be held accountable. Up until now, all they've done is vote to change the name of buildings and ban lead from children's toys (again).
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Re: Pelosi Spoils the Deal!
« Reply #44 on: September 29, 2008, 09:55:56 PM »
Quote from: Nancy 'Pants' Pelosi
"For too long this government, eight years, has followed a right-wing ideology of anything goes, no supervision, no discipline, no regulation."

For too long this government, sixteen years, has followed a left-wing ideology of anything goes, no supervision, no discipline, no regulation. - FIXED  :aok

EDIT: Actually surprised I could get that edit to work!  :D


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