• [MoM] "Aluminum Overcast" AAR •

[Stampf]

Hey there Delta, had a great time sir, i was a P47 assigned to Talens wing. Got 1 kill on a 152, we did our best to stay with the buffs. I took some damage from a 109 and had to rtb. As i turned to do same, i saw another 152 low figured id jump him and pair up the earlier kill. Big mistake that 152 driver saw me commin from miles away and set me up perfectly. All i can say is that i was thoroughly Stampf-ed out

Big <S> to Stampf and all the guys in JG 11

Thanks for all the effort Delta  

   That Jug has a whole lot of horsepower coming down like that.  Just bled the Big bellybutton Bird till you were manageable, is all. 

ZooZoo...Great Pics.  Love that squad art on the one winged Ta152.    That's one of ours, I believe 'Ducks62' He was last seen making a pass on a three ship formation, having already claimed 3 confirmed. 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,250347.0.html 

[96Delta]

That's one of ours, I believe 'Ducks62' He was last seen making a pass on a three ship formation

LOL, a lot of our opponents met similar fates.

Our B-17 Combat Boxes were like the Bermuda Triangle...

Planes flew in...but never came out.   

[macerxgp]

LOL, a lot of our opponents met similar fates.

Our B-17 Combat Boxes were like the Bermuda Triangle...

Planes flew in...but never came out.  

 

[96Delta]

I was just watching the video that JG11 produced.
(very nice job!)

Maybe the majority of the Ponies did a better job than
was first reported.  I have to say, that based on what
I saw in the video they stayed with the bombers
very well, at least early in the fight.

I must take the blame for poorly deploying them.
Another lesson learned...and not to be repeated.

The JG11 video is here:
(the music and sound start late, give it a minute or two)
http://exposureroom.com/members/33vortex.aspx/assets/7067cabc9d704e6fb026d89d0fa81333/

[stephen]

Oh yeh the TA is effective up hi, at 30,000 in a jug running slightly downhill I was catching a Ta-152 nicely (about d100 every 15-20 seconds).
The distance got down to d600 and I started a slight pull up to get the gunsite on him when he did at a slower speed than myself what was impossible for my jug to do with even full flaps.......,He pulled verticaly, climbed about a thousand feet in the rarify'd air, then rolled over the top level in the opposite direction..All without losing altitude. Leaving me in the dust as I flounderd into a deep stall, which I was only able to recover from as I passed through 25,000ft.

I watched the same guy go running downhill into a seperate flight of 47's while I holler'd over the vox for guys to break only to see him explode one of that flights aircraft..........


Pointless, thats how I would describe the feeling of chasing the well flown Ta's around in a Jug allready slow because I was trying to climb out to escort alttitude......especialy so if they started with even the slightest alt advantage, which regretably most of them did.

Laters Popycd 

[Anaxogoras]

Were you in a N jug?

[Akiller]

<<S>> to you rookies i had alot of fun and i and a squaddie was lucky enough to catch you guys way early and quick right off take off in our 152's we roamed above yall and called it out for the squaddies i had alot of heart pounding threw this experience was absolutely fun to be a part of it even though i was jus a con lol, I  made away with two bomber kills and a 51 bye bye, was so much fun <<S>> to the rooks and looking forward to another one!


  AKILLER

[ASP4422]

96Delta 
I flew with the 1st Bomb Wing and despite being shot down before I could drop, I had a great time.  I will definitely join up again for the next.  A couple suggestions (sorry if its a repeat)

1. Launch from a base that will help bombers reach safe alt.  Also, if needed - explane how the formation
should line up & .speed commad for those who don't know   
2. Fighter sweep in-front of bombers
3. Possibly find gunners prior to launch

and of course
4. Keep running these missions

[zoozoo]

  That Jug has a whole lot of horsepower coming down like that.  Just bled the Big bellybutton Bird till you were manageable, is all. 

ZooZoo...Great Pics.  Love that squad art on the one winged Ta152.    That's one of ours, I believe 'Ducks62' He was last seen making a pass on a three ship formation, having already claimed 3 confirmed. 

http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/index.php/topic,250347.0.html 

Thanks stampf, yes it was him, anyone going for the main pack was basicly anialated 

[Hap]

I and two squaddies arrvied very late seeking to intercept your raid.  I suppose it was all over by the time we showed up.

S! for the effort.

Next time, stage the buffs further back.  Get up to alt and speed (265 to 280'ish).  Faster and higher is better.  VERY sorry to hear about spies.  Yeah they exist.  This Bishop, doesn't want spies telling me what another country is up to.

hap

[Bino]

The mission was a success because 200 people had a great time and that's what this game is about...

   

This night was among the very best times I've had in the MA.

As many others have observed in this thread, the tactics that historically worked in RL also pertain in here...  I'd say more, but I'm sure that Stampf would start clearing his throat and kicking me under the table.   

[bongaroo]

Again, it will be a historically themed USAAF
bomber mission using the hearty B-17G.
My draft plan is based on a bomber force of 80 B-17's.
I hope I find them. 

Are you planning on having all 80 flights in one box?  You'll never see the enemy attackers until they are 1-2k away if thats your plan.

Also, if you are truly interested in some great bomber tactics you should consult Kermit.  He has consistantly run very effective bomber groups in many FSO's and notably the scenario's Der Gross Schlag and Rangoon to mention a few.  I'd be happy to PM you some tips to consider.

[iTunes]

I would get a small strike team to take out various dars along the way, not just the dars on route as that would make it too obvoius, get some ponies with rox and then they can grab for alt again.
See if there's anyway you can do something about the dar from HT just for this mission? Or maybe try and sneak along at the maps edge? Have the buffs launch from different bases to keep dar small and then maybe rv somewhere along the route? Have the escorts doing the same thing perhaps?
Also try and get a "Gentlemens agreement" in place that we nits or bish only up LW crates for the run,I'm sure if you implemented some of this then you would have a rock solid mission going. Dissapointing to hear about the ponies, but that's what to expect when you stick a bunch of them on the mission.
I like Talons idea RE: more jugs, that would prob flesh out the noobs more and so you would know what you had to work with. Another idea I had is that I'm sure there are great buff drivers, pony drivers and Jug drivers from both nitland and bishland who would prob jump over to rook for the next one, Don't see why not as you can switch back after an hour or so, the LW drivers could do the same from rookland?

[bongaroo]

The only way you'll get that kind of control is to move this from the LWA's into the special events arena.

[bj229r]

I would get a small strike team to take out various dars along the way, not just the dars on route as that would make it too obvoius, get some ponies with rox and then they can grab for alt again.
See if there's anyway you can do something about the dar from HT just for this mission? Or maybe try and sneak along at the maps edge? Have the buffs launch from different bases to keep dar small and then maybe rv somewhere along the route? Have the escorts doing the same thing perhaps?
Also try and get a "Gentlemens agreement" in place that we nits or bish only up LW crates for the run,I'm sure if you implemented some of this then you would have a rock solid mission going. Dissapointing to hear about the ponies, but that's what to expect when you stick a bunch of them on the mission.
I like Talons idea RE: more jugs, that would prob flesh out the noobs more and so you would know what you had to work with. Another idea I had is that I'm sure there are great buff drivers, pony drivers and Jug drivers from both nitland and bishland who would prob jump over to rook for the next one, Don't see why not as you can switch back after an hour or so, the LW drivers could do the same from rookland?

In retrospect, that's probably a very good idea (along with spoofing dar bar in various sectors to mask REAL bombers grabbing alt)