All this talk about the crappy HE-111

[Anaxogoras]

...Spitfire?

Yeah, if you're about 9 years old.

Tell me this wouldn't be cool:

[Karnak]

Anaxogoras,

There is no remote contest for which aircraft was the most iconic of the Battle of Britain.  The Spitfire is that aircraft and there is nothing even close to competing with it for that.


However, the Spitfire was certainly not the most important aircraft in the Battle of Britain.  For those I'd have to pick the Hurricane, Bf109E and He111.


But you didn't say "most important", you said "most iconic".

[Iron_Cross]

Words, explaining that only uber rides should be in the MA!!!1!!1!!

Then don't fly it TOOL!  Not every plane has to be a MA monster, in your opinion.  By your rational the only planes that should be allowed in the MA, are the LA LA, Spit 16, NIKI, and runstangs.  Ya real exciting gameplay there TOOL.

[Charge]

"There is no remote contest for which aircraft was the most iconic of the Battle of Britain. The Spitfire is that aircraft and there is nothing even close to competing with it for that."

What a silly claim. What about Hawker Hurricane?

BoB was probably the type's best performance, and it practically won the battle also taking the heaviest losses. After that event its significance declined.

-C+

[Ghosth]

Spit got the glory, Hurri did most of the work.

Just because a plane is not capable of standing on its own in late war doesn't mean it shouldn't be added.

In fact in my opinion the opposite is true. We really do NOT need more late war monsters.
What we need are bombers, bombers, bombers, and early war planes that are missing from the sets.

Russians have only the iL2, which really isn't even a bomber.
Japanese needs at least the Betty. KI-67 is a bomber but its a LIGHT bomber.  Again like the German, russian set.
Not a good medium or hvy bomber with decent range and payload.

Plus Japanese have only early war Carrier attack planes, they need late war versions also.
Would be like US having only SBD, early TBM but no F6f's, no F4u's. Pull those from their planeset and how competitive are they? Same thing for the Japanese.

Not to mention we have NONE of the Japanese hvy fighters.

Italians have nothing.

Germans have only the ju-88, which did a multitude of roles. But it was not long range heavy load bomber.
Granted they didn't have a good long range hvy hauler. But please give us what they had.
And we need the ju-52 while your doing it.

[rogerdee]

the he 111 was the first model i ever made and id love to have one in the game.

Why is it always everyone wants late war planes then moan when they get owned by
early war plane.
The he111 flew all the way through the war so it should be added.
so should the betty and a russian bomber maybe the PE2

And while there at it through in some Bi planes so that the swingers on here
can go both ways

[Denholm]

I'm looking at this differently. I'm seeing a lacking Axis bomber plane-set, and the opportunity to add to it with the addition of the HE-111. I'm not after some incredibly durable bomber that can pound cities to death after taking 200 rounds to the hull. I'm after adding more planes to our lacking axis bomber plane-set.

No, the addition of the A-26 will not add to the lacking axis bomber plane-set. Did I forget to mention our lacking axis bomber plane-set?

[bongaroo]

We don't need anymore Allied Bombers for a bit.  Fill in the other planesets!  HE-111 FTW!

[Anaxogoras]

Hehe, and so it starts.  Spitfire?  Hurricane?  He 111?

Most people who only know of these planes cannot tell a Spitfire from a Hurricane, but they sure as heck can pick out a Heinkel.

[Bubbajj]

We don't need any more bombers, PERIOD!

[shreck]

I'm looking at this differently. I'm seeing a lacking Axis bomber plane-set, and the opportunity to add to it with the addition of the HE-111. I'm not after some incredibly durable bomber that can pound cities to death after taking 200 rounds to the hull. I'm after adding more planes to our lacking axis bomber plane-set.

No, the addition of the A-26 will not add to the lacking axis bomber plane-set. Did I forget to mention our lacking axis bomber plane-set?

I'm with ya here!  Also the historical alure would be worth the HE111 being added!

[Greebo]

I think we need at least one slow, badly armed early war bomber for scenarios. As it is most early war fighters have a real struggle to intercept the Boston or Ju 88. These two aircraft formed a minority of their sides' bomber strength in RL and were way faster than most other bombers of the period.

A bomber like the He 111 would make a much more acceptable scenario substitute for the majority of the allied and Axis bombers of the period in terms of its speed and defensive capabilities.

[Fencer51]

We also desperately need the Betty.  Not the Michigan one. 

[Major Biggles]

Hehe, and so it starts.  Spitfire?  Hurricane?  He 111?

Most people who only know of these planes cannot tell a Spitfire from a Hurricane, but they sure as heck can pick out a Heinkel.

Obviously you're not English...

As a proud inhabitant of the nation the battle was fought over and named for, I can tell you without doubt that the Spitfire is the most iconic plane of the BoB. Even a 3 year old child can instantly recognise the shape and sound of a Spitfire, It's just not a contest.

Perhaps the Hurricane deserves to be the most revered, and the He-111 is of course one of the most instantly recognisable planes of the war, but the Spitfire stands alone as the poster child of the BoB.

[Karnak]

Hehe, and so it starts.  Spitfire?  Hurricane?  He 111?

Most people who only know of these planes cannot tell a Spitfire from a Hurricane, but they sure as heck can pick out a Heinkel.

Ask a random stranger or coworker if they have heard of the following aircraft:

Spitfire
109
Hurricane
He111


Odds are only the first two will be known, if any. 

As to recognizing it, the Spitfire's distinctive eliptical wings will be remembered by anybody with even a slight knowlege of the subject.  People with no knowlege of it won't remember the He111, Ju87, Bf109, Hurricane, Bf110, Do17, Ju88 or Spitfire.