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« Reply #1110 on: June 24, 2020, 04:41:27 PM »
It has? Well, if so then we'll see.  :D

Watch it now or I will tie your shoes together and slap you with a dead trout.   :rofl
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1111 on: June 24, 2020, 05:12:04 PM »
Watch it now or I will tie your shoes together and slap you with a dead trout.   :rofl

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Honestly, if anything new is modeled in AH at all, at this point, I'd be delighted.



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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1112 on: July 21, 2020, 10:34:52 AM »
Arlo our community votes in the latest, with more cannon and speed such as the 410.  I rarely if ever see a 410 being used in game.  Plainly it is a cement truck.  When I do I just shoot it down.  The one using it tries to HO because it can't maneuver for a six shot and plainly was a target for fighters during WWII

The Beaufighter on the other hand was used in all theaters of the war for the duration.  It was used from being a night fighter even by the USAAF during the war in the Med.  The US 417 Night Fighter Squadron used them.  Get the book. Beaufighters in the night by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel - USAF.

It was more versatile then the Mossie and flew usually low level even on the deck missions and at times were escorted.

It would behoove you to get factual information before making remarks.  The Mossies were great for what they did and they Beaufighters were great for what they did.  The Beaufighters were tough birds that used radial instead of inline engines and when they were hit by enemy fire they were much more sturdy.  Along with the four hispanos they had six .303s' or 4 .50 cals depending on model along with torpedoes and/or rockets and bombs the durability of the radial these two facts plus the fact that they were fast on the deck were a plus.  Again comparing apples to oranges.  The Beaus was much more versatile.  And to restate....the Beau flew everywhere and was a war winning aircraft.

As Jack Webb used to say  "Just the facts M'am just the facts."  I'll bet you voted for the Ta 152 also LOL.  The latest greatest most deadliest fastest there is.  (considering 40 of them were in service and the lower then that number that actually flew in combat).
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1113 on: July 21, 2020, 11:32:57 AM »
Arlo our community votes in the latest, with more cannon and speed such as the 410.  I rarely if ever see a 410 being used in game.  Plainly it is a cement truck.  When I do I just shoot it down.  The one using it tries to HO because it can't maneuver for a six shot and plainly was a target for fighters during WWII

The Beaufighter on the other hand was used in all theaters of the war for the duration.  It was used from being a night fighter even by the USAAF during the war in the Med.  The US 417 Night Fighter Squadron used them.  Get the book. Beaufighters in the night by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel - USAF.

It was more versatile then the Mossie and flew usually low level even on the deck missions and at times were escorted.

It would behoove you to get factual information before making remarks.  The Mossies were great for what they did and they Beaufighters were great for what they did.  The Beaufighters were tough birds that used radial instead of inline engines and when they were hit by enemy fire they were much more sturdy.  Along with the four hispanos they had six .303s' or 4 .50 cals depending on model along with torpedoes and/or rockets and bombs the durability of the radial these two facts plus the fact that they were fast on the deck were a plus.  Again comparing apples to oranges.  The Beaus was much more versatile.  And to restate....the Beau flew everywhere and was a war winning aircraft.

As Jack Webb used to say  "Just the facts M'am just the facts."  I'll bet you voted for the Ta 152 also LOL.  The latest greatest most deadliest fastest there is.  (considering 40 of them were in service and the lower then that number that actually flew in combat).

The 410 isn't a Beaufighter, very good but that wasn't remotely a comparison I made.  :D

Regarding a factual comparison between the Mossie and the Beau that could be a factor in delaying the latter's addition (even when new models were being added), you mean like this from a couple pages back or so?



Even then, I've recently capitulated and joined the BOSS so it might behoove you to read all the Beau threads before attempting a fish fight. ;)



And presuming I voted in the 152 and the 410 aren't facts, ma'am, but it certainly qualifies as fact fishing. Things that were modeled that I voted support for have been the I-16, Tu-25, A6M5b, both variants of the M4A3, the Sherman VC, the Iowa BB and the He-111. Things I've supported that haven't been modeled (yet, if one is to believe that more stuff is forthcoming) are the SM.79 Sparviero, the Italian M14/41 tank medium tank, the Reggiane Re.2005, Douglas TBD Devastator, the Nakajima B6N torpedo bomber and now the Beaufighter (I figured wth since I doubt there'll be anything new modeled why give the OP and support group an unneeded hurt feeling). I'd +1 the Swordfish or the Gribovsky G-11 just to give emotional support to the op of either. Now you actually have facts as to what I'd support.  :aok


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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1114 on: July 21, 2020, 11:58:20 AM »
Slaps Arlo with a dead trout.  :D
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1115 on: July 21, 2020, 12:32:29 PM »
Slaps Arlo with a dead trout.  :D

I'm so looking forward to flying the Beaufighter at night in Aces High.  :D

I've been told, as a student of military history, I don't read enough.  :old:



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« Reply #1116 on: July 21, 2020, 01:40:45 PM »
I'm so looking forward to flying the Beaufighter at night in Aces High.  :D

I've been told, as a student of military history, I don't read enough.  :old:

All kinds of daytime flying Arlo.  Anti Shipping, ground attack, etc.  Used all over the globe.  The Mossie had issues in the CBI for example where the laminated wood suffered in the heat.  Not so with the Beau :)
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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1117 on: July 21, 2020, 01:56:19 PM »
All kinds of daytime flying Arlo.  Anti Shipping, ground attack, etc.  Used all over the globe.  The Mossie had issues in the CBI for example where the laminated wood suffered in the heat.  Not so with the Beau :)

Forgive me. I knew all of that. But I didn't read 'Beaufighters in the night' by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel (not to be confused with 'Three in Thirteen : A Mosquito Night Fighter Pilot in WWII' by Roger Dunsfordand) and therefore was/am too uninformed to have ever been the dissenting vote when I was one of the dissenting votes. I have since reformed and indicated my interest in joining BOSS.  :cool:
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« Reply #1118 on: July 21, 2020, 04:04:20 PM »
Forgive me. I knew all of that. But I didn't read 'Beaufighters in the night' by Lt. Col. Braxton "Brick" Eisel (not to be confused with 'Three in Thirteen : A Mosquito Night Fighter Pilot in WWII' by Roger Dunsfordand) and therefore was/am too uninformed to have ever been the dissenting vote when I was one of the dissenting votes. I have since reformed and indicated my interest in joining BOSS.  :cool:

Much better :)   

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« Reply #1119 on: July 21, 2020, 04:20:29 PM »
Impressive collection, none of which are in my possession nor have I checked out and read in the library. Might I ask if any of the pilots in those books later fly the Mossie and comment on how they felt about the transition?


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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1120 on: July 21, 2020, 04:28:59 PM »
Impressive collection, none of which are in my possession nor have I checked out and read in the library. Might I ask if any of the pilots in those books later fly the Mossie and comment on how they felt about the transition?

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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1121 on: July 21, 2020, 04:34:26 PM »
Strains back slapping Arlo with a Beluga whale. OUCH

Leave my Beluga alone. *ouch*


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« Reply #1122 on: July 21, 2020, 04:35:09 PM »
Leave my Beluga alone. *ouch*

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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1123 on: July 21, 2020, 05:15:57 PM »
While I don't offer this as a definitive and undeniable proof as to the overall merits of the Mossie over the Beau I did happen to run across a debate thread in the Key.Aero forum and found it filled with enjoyable opinions and insights:

https://www.key.aero/forum/historic-aviation/133551-mosquito-vis-a-vis-beaufighter

Please remember, I've sided with the 'Pro-Beau' camp as the Mossie is very much already an active part of the AH environment.


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Re: Bristol Beaufighter
« Reply #1124 on: July 21, 2020, 06:48:51 PM »
Arlo I do apologize for being gruff about the subject.  Now that you know the differences between the Mossie and the Beau I'm sure you will agree as I said in a previous post comparing the two was like comparing apples to oranges.

Again it is not like me to get "snooty" I do apologize.  That's what happens when you get 70 years of age and become a babysitter for your grandchildren.  One is in College the other three are 13 years of age and younger.  I love to see them when they come, and just as glad when they leave  ;)
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