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Offline BnZs

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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #60 on: April 20, 2009, 03:33:03 PM »
20 perks is not "cheap" to me, and I have over 3000. Okay, objectively I know I have enough perks to lose lots and lots of rides, but somehow the price is a psychological barrier.
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #61 on: April 20, 2009, 03:47:30 PM »
I'm just amazed at how much the 16 can do performance wise and ability wise and not be slightly perked, and how narrow the Spit 14 performance envelope is so narrow but yet it is perked.  Speed must be the key.   ;)
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #62 on: April 20, 2009, 04:16:26 PM »
Quote from: BnZs on April 20, 2009, 01:03:32 AM
EDIT: My friend, you find it hard to survive when more maneuverable fighters or just a gang with  alt to convert to catching shows up? Welcome to the experience of AHII, unless you are flying a 262! 361mph on the deck IS elite speed...what non-perk ride exceeds that speed...P-51, P-47N, D9, Typhoon, La7...all of them with one glaring exception inferior in maneuverability and climb rate to the SpitXIV...and that lone exception is another plane which should be lightly perked!

Who says you have to be on the deck?
I think if you would be cough on the deck by a higher opponent (especially if there are alot of them) you would have hard time surviving in any aircraft, and most likely get shot down. Even if your in that 262 you talk about so much. I killed 262s while flying a spit 14, they could not run away from me.


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Quote from: MachFly on April 19, 2009, 09:10:45 PM
Ok if anybody thinks spit 14 should not be perked, meet me in the Dueling Arena.


Here are the rules:
we fight at 6.9 sector (A17 and A18).
each pilot fly's at there preferable altitude.
allowed to go anywhere as long as you are in 6.9 sector.
not allowed to use friendly ack for cover.

I will be on spit 14, you take any other non-perked fighter.
and then prove me how much of a POS plane that is.




If you unperk it way to many people will be flying it. Your comparing the spit 14 to 16, by saying that 14 should be unperked, maybe it's the 16 that should be perked?
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2009, 01:15:51 PM »
XIV - Never has been, never will be worth any perk cost. Not suited at all for the low alt fights of the MA. If the 'hard deck' was 25k then sure, perk it.

Never been anywhere close to the 2.0 K/D ratio that EVERY other perked plane exceeds. Usually struggles to get within a country mile of 1.5 K/D.

If it's to remain perked, then at least give us a free XII :)
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Offline waystin2

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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2009, 01:24:00 PM »
Quote from: Kev367th on April 21, 2009, 01:15:51 PM


If it's to remain perked, then at least give us a free XII :)


Now we are talking! :aok
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2009, 01:27:20 PM »
Kev, what's up with this Spitfire MkXII you keep harping on about?

Last time I checked it has similar performance as the Spitfire Mk.9 we have ? I know I'm missing something, please point me in the right direction mate!
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2009, 03:05:30 PM »
Quote from: Kazaa on April 21, 2009, 01:27:20 PM
Kev, what's up with this Spitfire MkXII you keep harping on about?

Last time I checked it has similar performance as the Spitfire Mk.9 we have ? I know I'm missing something, please point me in the right direction mate!

First Griffon engined production Spit.
Produced specifically to catch the 190 low level hit and run raids.

Much much better performance low down compared to the IX!

Griffon III @ 1,720hp,  speeds approx 394mph @ 18k, 372mph at 5k.

Dan will hopefully (bet on it :) ) chime in with further details.
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #67 on: April 21, 2009, 03:31:02 PM »
What sort of turning performance did it have, being a Spit5 air frame and all?
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #68 on: April 21, 2009, 04:26:08 PM »
Quote from: Kev367th on April 21, 2009, 01:15:51 PM
give us a free XII :)

 :aok

time to make a new thread in the wishlist section  :)
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #69 on: April 21, 2009, 04:26:57 PM »
Quote from: Kazaa on April 21, 2009, 03:31:02 PM
What sort of turning performance did it have, being a Spit5 air frame and all?

Dan probably has all that data.

Just going from the test pilot comments -

a) Dives well, pulls away from IX.
b) Manoeuvrability is excellent particularly in its rate of roll.
c) Stability better, especially longitudinally.

Over to Dan :)

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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #70 on: April 21, 2009, 04:28:03 PM »
Quote from: Kazaa on April 21, 2009, 03:31:02 PM
What sort of turning performance did it have, being a Spit5 air frame and all?

it was a spitfire XIII airframe, not V
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #71 on: April 21, 2009, 04:30:03 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on April 21, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
it was a spitfire XIII airframe, not V

Early ones were based on Vc airframes.
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #72 on: April 21, 2009, 05:54:14 PM »
Quote from: Kev367th on April 21, 2009, 04:30:03 PM
Quote from: MachFly on April 21, 2009, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: Kazaa on April 21, 2009, 03:31:02 PM
What sort of turning performance did it have, being a Spit5 air frame and all?
it was a spitfire XIII airframe, not V
Early ones were based on Vc airframes.

your partially right

Only the first batch of Spitfire VIIs was based on V

"this general arrangement diagram shows the version of the Spitfire XII that was based n the Spitfire Mk.Vc. ... The second batch of the type was based on the Mk.VIII airframe and had retractable tail wheels."
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #73 on: April 21, 2009, 07:24:54 PM »
SpitV airframe is fine with me...less weight...someone said helicopter ?

There is at least 3 threads about the spit14 running...lets keep up the good job !
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Re: The SpitXIV conundrum
« Reply #74 on: April 21, 2009, 07:35:05 PM »
Machfly, is that your in-game name?
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