The SpitXIV conundrum

[Kazaa]

Early ones were based on Vc airframes.

I must have read the performance charts on the Early Spitfire Mk.XII.

[MachFly]

Machfly, is that your in-game name?

that's affirmative

There is at least 3 threads about the spit14 running...lets keep up the good job !

I think I am responsible for 1 of them 

I must have read the performance charts on the Early Spitfire Mk.XII.

can you tell me where to find them, might get some more useful information.

[Motherland]

that's affirmative

Rgr I'll look for you tomorrow then. Should be fun

[Karnak]

can you tell me where to find them, might get some more useful information.

This is a great site for historical performance data:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/

[Cajunn]

Spit 14.........well I can say this about it, I don't fly it anymore but I use to take it out every now and then and I have never been killed in one. The only Spit 14 that I have died in was one that I popped the wings off of, I have schooled F4u's in it and smoked La 7's in  vertical fight's(it will out climb just about any prop plane in the game). I think the guys wishing it to be un-perked or thinking you fight it like other Spitfires and that's wrong. The spit 14 is probably top's in the game in vertical fights and you get it up to altitude and it will give Pony's fit's because of its climb rate and acceleration, so though I agree that the 16 should have a small perk, I don't think that the 14 should be un-perked. 

[MachFly]

Spit 14.........well I can say this about it, I don't fly it anymore but I use to take it out every now and then and I have never been killed in one. The only Spit 14 that I have died in was one that I popped the wings off of, I have schooled F4u's in it and smoked La 7's in  vertical fight's(it will out climb just about any prop plane in the game). I think the guys wishing it to be un-perked or thinking you fight it like other Spitfires and that's wrong. The spit 14 is probably top's in the game in vertical fights and you get it up to altitude and it will give Pony's fit's because of its climb rate and acceleration, so though I agree that the 16 should have a small perk, I don't think that the 14 should be un-perked. 

  ect.....

This is a great site for historical performance data:

http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/

thanks

[Guppy35]

it was a spitfire XIII airframe, not V

Sorry I'm late

EN serial Spit XIIs had fixed tail wheels, while MB serial Spit XIIs had retractable, outside of MB974 and 975 which had fixed, based on photo evidence. 

Griffon III and Griffon IV engines.  If you want which had IIIs and which had IVs I could tell ya but that would just take more time

The XII had a single stage Griffon, meaning it was optimized for low to medium alt work.  It was put into service in February of 43 because of a need to counter tip and run FW190 raids on the south coast of England.  This it did, when 91 Squadron and their XIIs bounced a 190 raid on Hastings and shot down 5 for no loss May 25, 1943.

What the XII was in 1943 is essentially what the AH XVI is but is a 1945 Spit.  It could outperform anything it came across at the low to medium altitudes it flew at.  In the Fall of 43 the Tangmere Spit XII Wing was the high scoring unit in Fighter Command.  Their tactics were to essentially troll below the 109s and 190s baiting them to come down where the XII could turn into them and turn the tables.  The XIIs best day being October 20, 1943 when they shot down 9 109s and 190s for no losses

What folks seem to forget all the time in these discussions is that performance changed depending on the altitude.  The XII was a better bird then the IX until about 18K when the 2 stage supercharged Merlin 60 series engines did their thing.  The XVI with clipped wings and a low alt rated Packard Merlin 266 is best suited to low alt, which is where it shines in AH.  The XVI was used historically for ground support with a strengthened wing to carry bombs or rockets.  This is also true of the LFIXe of that time.

The XIV was a rocket with wings that had an incredible climb rate.  It was an interceptor and meant to fight the best the other guy had to offer while the XVI was meant to help support the air to ground war.

A Spitfire XIV flown to its strengths will out perform a Spitfire XVI and can control and dictate the fight

But lets not worry too much about that.   Lets just get a Spitfire XII and I;ll be happy

[Karnak]

Spit 14.........well I can say this about it, I don't fly it anymore but I use to take it out every now and then and I have never been killed in one. The only Spit 14 that I have died in was one that I popped the wings off of, I have schooled F4u's in it and smoked La 7's in  vertical fight's(it will out climb just about any prop plane in the game). I think the guys wishing it to be un-perked or thinking you fight it like other Spitfires and that's wrong. The spit 14 is probably top's in the game in vertical fights and you get it up to altitude and it will give Pony's fit's because of its climb rate and acceleration, so though I agree that the 16 should have a small perk, I don't think that the 14 should be un-perked. 

Of course you don't use it like an A6M.  You use it like a Bf109K-4.

If you haven't lost one, you are way to timid to be giving useful feedback or you are one of the top 10 AH pilots.

[Lusche]

Spit 14.........well I can say this about it, I don't fly it anymore but I use to take it out every now and then and I have never been killed in one. The only Spit 14 that I have died in was one that I popped the wings off of, I have schooled F4u's in it and smoked La 7's in  vertical fight's(it will out climb just about any prop plane in the game).

Your ingame name is Cajunn as well?

EDIT: Nevermind, it is.
Since Tour 90 you have 14 kills in Spit XIV... and 7 deaths.

[Kev367th]

What the XII was in 1943 is essentially what the AH XVI is but is a 1945 Spit.  It could outperform anything it came across at the low to medium altitudes it flew at.  In the Fall of 43 the Tangmere Spit XII Wing was the high scoring unit in Fighter Command.  Their tactics were to essentially troll below the 109s and 190s baiting them to come down where the XII could turn into them and turn the tables.  The XIIs best day being October 20, 1943 when they shot down 9 109s and 190s for no losses

I assume you mean 1944 for the XVI, not 1945?

Also unless the XVI FTH has been fixed it is still an LF IXe, circa May 1944, not an Oct/Nov 1944 XVI.

Only way the XVI could be classed as a 1945 bird would be to give it 25lbs boost.

Wish they had just called it an LF IXe!

[Kazaa]

Did someone say 25lbs boost!

[Cajunn]

Your ingame name is Cajunn as well?

EDIT: Nevermind, it is.
Since Tour 90 you have 14 kills in Spit XIV... and 7 deaths.

that is correct and I can say no deaths have come from being shot down as I said, my deaths have come from pulling extreme G's where I lost a wing or I seem to black out extremely fast not realizing how fast it would gather speed and then pulling what in a normal plane would seem OK but in the 14 it was either a blackout or tear a wing off. And of coarse in essence it was my fault and someone got the kill but I never had anything on my tail long enough to actually shoot me down.   


And what was your point?

[MachFly]

that is correct and I can say no deaths have come from being shot down as I said, my deaths have come from pulling extreme G's where I lost a wing or I seem to black out extremely fast not realizing how fast it would gather speed and then pulling what in a normal plane would seem OK but in the 14 it was either a blackout or tear a wing off. And of coarse in essence it was my fault and someone got the kill but I never had anything on my tail long enough to actually shoot me down.   

Perhaps no one got a chance to shot you down because you were riping you wings of to soon...


Tell me this, do you at least have 10 hours in a spit 14?
I have never been shot down in a P-40B, does not make me the best pilot, because I have like 2 sotis in it. (maybe 30min of total time)

[MachFly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3e-Ra0dH-Lg

[Cajunn]

Perhaps no one got a chance to shot you down because you were riping you wings of to soon...


Tell me this, do you at least have 10 hours in a spit 14?
I have never been shot down in a P-40B, does not make me the best pilot, because I have like 2 sotis in it. (maybe 30min of total time)

No I doubt I have 3 hours in one, I'm not saying I'm by any means the best or even close to the best I actually stopped flying it because I was having trouble at the time controlling the excessive energy that It was producing, and in turn snapping wings off and blacking out. Actually I found that when I was successful, it was due to its massive climb rate in a vertical fight, my problems were on the downhill of that fight where a plane like the 190's or mustangs could pull the G's to start back up the Spit 14 would usually lose a wing or both, and induce a black out because of what I think is the load on the wings because of its better turning ability. And I still think it should stay perked, maybe not as much as some of the other planes but some sort of perk should stay IMO.