Please Fix the IL-2 37mm Accuracy

[Karnak]

Using rarity as a criterion for perkage is a can of worms. I mean, the Ta-152 was about as rare as anything we have in-game, but does not deserve to be perked.

I think that is why it was perked originally.

I just hate to see a) a historically rare thing being common in the game and b) fewer options.

[Greebo]

I'd like to see the 37mm's accuracy made more realistic, it completely distorts the weapon's RL effectiveness the way it is.

Maybe the Il-2's anti-armour PTAB cluster bomblets could be added as an option to make up for it. These were small hollow charge munitions which could burn a hole through the top armour of any German tank. The Il-2 could carry 192 of these which were dropped in a pattern which covered about 230 ft by 50 ft. I guess it might need some sort of upgrade to AH's code to cope with that number of bombs though....

[SmokinLoon]

Between the wirby's 3000 round sustained fire without reload or threat of jamming (that includes the Osty and M16), the IL-2's laser AP cannons (37mm), and a host of other direct fire issues in this "sim", it shows that there are vehicles and systems being released into this "sim" that are not being fully researched or tested correctly.

Yeager is correct to a certain extent, but having gross misinterpretations and implementations of weapons systems and their ability to perform far beyond the capabilities both historically and realistically is a travesty.  It does nothing but take away from the "sim" aspect and point it towards a X-Box game.  I'd like to believe that HTC would rather have a more fine tuned following bent on enjoying a realistic sim vs a hoarde or kids/summer game players looking for a quick game rush for the summer.

I hope, I sincerely hope that HTC is able to grasp historical fact and get it implemented into the IL-2, the wirblewind, and the other uber-vehicles in the game. 

[B4Buster]

I hope, I sincerely hope that HTC is able to grasp historical fact and get it implemented into the IL-2, the wirblewind, and the other uber-vehicles in the game. 

They can, But they also know they can't make everyone happy. If things are too realistic, people would be crying on the boards anyway. I think now that the IL-2 has had time to be used in game, HTC will take another look at it.

[Wmaker]

Maybe the Il-2's anti-armour PTAB cluster bomblets could be added as an option to make up for it. These were small hollow charge munitions which could burn a hole through the top armour of any German tank. The Il-2 could carry 192 of these which were dropped in a pattern which covered about 230 ft by 50 ft. I guess it might need some sort of upgrade to AH's code to cope with that number of bombs though....

Totally agree. Il-2s did kill tanks and THIS was the weapon they used to do it. I've been wondering that very thing about the PTAB....game would have to trach the trajectory of 192 objects if they were released as a single salvo...

So, of course one can argue that as the PTAB isn't technically feasible NS-37s are there instead.

[moot]

Or track much fewer and then multiply the tracked impacts' distribution to 192.

[Wmaker]

Or track much fewer and then multiply the tracked impacts' distribution to 192.

Yes, of course there are compromises amd work arounds that could be implemented. But I'm thinking HTC would require them all to be visible anyway. That would only be GPU load for users' FEs and not server load, though.

[waystin2]

"In other words, for the destruction of a solitary tank, vehicle etc... it was necessary to attack with about 15 armored IL's"

In the opinions of flight crews operating on the Il-2 with the NS-37, attacking small targets with the heavier armament didn't differ much from that of the Il-2 with the smaller caliber ShVAK and VYa cannons and a normal bombload of 300-350kg PTAB."

Some more mentions of how many IL-2's required to take down a solitary tank of Panzer IV quality or better utilizing the 37mm cannons.  15 planes to take out that solitary target!  Also note that the pilots truly saw little difference between the 37mm and the lighter 23mm with the PTAB's loaded out.

[E25280]

I think all of this points to one thing . . .





We should have the JU-87G.   

[waystin2]

I think all of this points to one thing . . .





We should have the JU-87G.   

I agree the JU-87G should be added, but please make a separate wish thread for it Sir.

[Spikes]

My view:
the IL2 is deadly with the no recoil 37mms, if a tank gets killed by one, the immediate effect is to up a Wirble with it's 3000 round of continuous fire. If you neuter both of these, don't you think it would equal back out?

[waystin2]

If you neuter both of these, don't you think it would equal back out?

It would be as it should be, provided both are documented fact.

[Spikes]

It would be as it should be, provided both are documented fact.

Well, said IL2 documents, and with the wirble, it has been stated from facts as well earlier on.

[hitech]

Between the wirby's 3000 round sustained fire without reload or threat of jamming (that includes the Osty and M16), the IL-2's laser AP cannons (37mm), and a host of other direct fire issues in this "sim", it shows that there are vehicles and systems being released into this "sim" that are not being fully researched or tested correctly.

Yeager is correct to a certain extent, but having gross misinterpretations and implementations of weapons systems and their ability to perform far beyond the capabilities both historically and realistically is a travesty.  It does nothing but take away from the "sim" aspect and point it towards a X-Box game.  I'd like to believe that HTC would rather have a more fine tuned following bent on enjoying a realistic sim vs a hoarde or kids/summer game players looking for a quick game rush for the summer.

I hope, I sincerely hope that HTC is able to grasp historical fact and get it implemented into the IL-2, the wirblewind, and the other uber-vehicles in the game. 

I do so love the wonderful selective realism.

HiTech

[Anaxogoras]

Before the peanut gallery chimes in just because they love to see you rip on people, you're missing the point of the criticism HT.  It's about consistent standards of what to model realistically, not realism itself.  You've done a great job at modeling auto-cannons with historically correct rates of fire and physically correct recoil, but they're pointing out that the Il-2's 37mm and wirbelwind's rate of fire don't seem up to the same standard of your previous work.