Myth: SpitXVI is "slow"

[Kazaa]

Not, it is not relevant at all. What it shows is that at some point in the past some individual got the same numbers in a IX as he got in an XVI, numbers which involve many unknown and unknowable factors. It says nothing about the relative performance of the machines.  If you want to get real crazy, look at the way the P-38J k/d has been some tours...it has been at the top of non-perks, or very close. Going by your "logic", that would mean the P-38J is in fact superior to all non-perked planes. Including the almost identical but slightly better (boosted ailerons and dive flaps!) P-38L!!! Clearly this is not a logically sound argument, although it is an excellent use of any available excuse to strut about one's score.

Wow, sorry for this super late response. I missed it as I was too busy flexing in the mirror.

I’m just showing you cold hard facts that a Spitfire fanboi, like myself  doesn’t need the “best Spit in the hanger to compete in the MA”.

[Kazaa]

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[Kazaa]

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[Anaxogoras]

I have to show fencer that you quadruple posted.  He made fun of me for my triple post yesterday, and when I saw the forum seize up, I knew there'd be a bunch of extra posts.

[RTHolmes]

Multipost! </Leeloo from 5th Element accent>

[caldera]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV_eGm1qgGs

"Leeloo Dallas multipass."


This thread needed a change of subject anyway.

[BnZs]

An individual's k/d stats are almost useless when discussing a plane's performance. Even the stats for that plane model are almost useless, as I have demonstrated at length. Or do you really believe the P-38J is so inherently superior to other models, including the P-38L, as k/d stats would seem to suggest?

I’m just showing you cold hard facts that a Spitfire fanboi, like myself  doesn’t need the “best Spit in the hanger to compete in the MA”. Try to reply without an insult next time.

Well, which is true? Because it seems like my detractors have been arguing out of both sides of their mouth...one the one hand I have been told that perking the SpitXVI would be a tremendous handicap for Spit aficionados, that the VIII is not enough...now you seem to be telling that even our version IX is pretty darn competitive in the LW MA. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

[Twizzty]

  That's alot of flexing!

[Kazaa]

lol wtf.

[Saxman]

Zscore for energy retention, 400-150mph:

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I'm a bit surprised to see the 1A has superior E retention in the engine-off state over ALL the Hogs. I can sort of see the -4, 1D and C because all three have fixed pylons which add drag, but there's not much difference in the airframe between the -1, other than the canopy (which arguably, the raised bubble of the 1A would have MORE drag over the -1.

[Anaxogoras]

I'm a bit surprised to see the 1A has superior E retention in the engine-off state over ALL the Hogs. I can sort of see the -4, 1D and C because all three have fixed pylons which add drag, but there's not much difference in the airframe between the -1, other than the canopy (which arguably, the raised bubble of the 1A would have MORE drag over the -1.

Yes, it surprised me too.  I actually tested the 1A twice because its Eg retention was significantly better than the rest of the Hogs, but I got the same results.

Still, they are all so close that for the purposes of a Zscore the difference between the 1A and 1 is negligible.

[Kazaa]

Well, which is true? Because it seems like my detractors have been arguing out of both sides of their mouth...one the one hand I have been told that perking the SpitXVI would be a tremendous handicap for Spit aficionados, that the VIII is not enough...now you seem to be telling that even our version IX is pretty darn competitive in the LW MA. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

The IX can be a great counter to the XVI.

Also the XVI can't be that good if my stats in it are exatly the same as the IX.

[Shuffler]

If bnz is going to go toe to toe with Guppy on spits he needs to spend a few years educating himself first. Dan has a long history of experience on real spits He has met and interviewed many of the actual spit pilots in his quest for knowlege on its history and use.

[BaldEagl]

Speaking of expecting more from people,

I see that you were trying to outline a potential argument about subjectivity of relative performance characteristics, but it's a pretty weak argument.

Yes, that was the purpose and I didn't really think it through.  I was specifically thinking about the F4F varients as I typed that and, after reading 6 pages of this I was trying to get my response in quickly before going to bed.  I didn't mean to open a debate regarding the dive charachteristics of any plane although with a little thought I'm sure I could come up with a specific single performance measurement and use anecdotal evidence and opinion to support my case. 

[detch01]

Well, which is true? Because it seems like my detractors have been arguing out of both sides of their mouth...one the one hand I have been told that perking the SpitXVI would be a tremendous handicap for Spit aficionados, that the VIII is not enough...now you seem to be telling that even our version IX is pretty darn competitive in the LW MA. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Awesome wrist BnZ! Man, I wish I could throw spin like that.


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