FSO: Operation Husky - Frame 2 Results

[DH367th]

our map from ghostdancer showed 56 as target not 57

[ImADot]

One Axis squad did not turn out at all in frame 1 and was a no show again for frame 2.

I'm sure the proper measures are being put into motion...
I for one hope to never see this squad's name (whatever it is) listed in FSO again - especially on my side.
Crappy ride or assignment, or not...if you sign up to participate in a team event, you dang well better show up.  I can see a couple people saying "screw that, I'm not coming" and the squad show up with less than their commitment level - but for the whole squad to not show up [TWICE] is hard to let slide.

[CHAPPY]

DEFENSE Obj.
A11 288 pts 19200 lbs – Small Airbase
A18 288 pts 19200 lbs – Small Airbase
A26 396pts 26400 lbs – Medium Airbase
A57 288 pts 19200 lbs – Small Airbase
C106 180 pts 10000 lbs – CA and 4 DDs (CV is not a target and should not be present)
NOTE: The fleet, C106, must stay in the containment area:
Sectors 16,7 17,7 16,6 17,6

These are the defence objective I received.

[Stampf]

our map from ghostdancer showed 56 as target not 57

Better check Objectives.

[ghostdancer]

That is a CM mistake. On the written for both sides A57 was designated the target. On the map for both sides A56 was circled.

A57 and A56 are right next to each, with one n the souther coast and one on the northern coast. There is roughly 11 to 12 miles distance between the two. So looking at the battle plans the Axis defended A57 and the Allies were told to attack A56. With them being so close I am sure you guys mixed it up and fought quite bit in the area and even pursued the bombers after they egressed. However, it is my mistake and I will be firing off a note to the CiC of both sides and the squads involved about how to score the issue.

[DH367th]

I see that chappy our matrix went off map and that was 56 have to let ghoshtdancer decide but either way was no fault of claim jumpers they did as ordered

[Stampf]

That is a CM mistake. On the written for both sides A57 was designated the target. On the map for both sides A56 was circled.

A57 and A56 are right next to each, with one n the souther coast and one on the northern coast. There is roughly 11 to 12 miles distance between the two. So looking at the battle plans the Axis defended A57 and the Allies were told to attack A56. With them being so close I am sure you guys mixed it up and fought quite bit in the area and even pursued the bombers after they egressed. However, it is my mistake and I will be firing off a note to the CiC of both sides and the squads involved about how to score the issue.

No.

That is not the case, and I have film.  We let them attack, before engaging.  While the allies may have hit what they were told to hit, they were told to hit a different target than we were told to defend.

Written objectives must be the deciding factor, not a map graphic error.

[ghostdancer]

Thanks for clarifying stampf. So you attack the bombers after they dropped, yes?

Okay let me think on this (totaly my screw up both sides did what they were supposed to) and then talk to all those involved about the issue and possible resolutions.

[Stampf]

Thanks for clarifying stampf. So you attack the bombers after they dropped, yes?

Okay let me think on this (totaly my screw up both sides did what they were supposed to) and then talk to all those involved about the issue and possible resolutions.

Attack planes, not buffs.  Yes, we let them attack A56, before engaging them.  We spotted them between the two fields.  They turned north to our surprise and dropped on A56.  We followed them and after they dropped their ords, we attacked.

[DMBEAR]

Gentlemen,

I have revised the frame 1 results slightly. One Axis squad did not turn out at all in frame 1 and was a no show again for frame 2. I am not going to penalize the Axis for their no show in Frame 1 where they were tasked with flying JU88s.

That said the Axis had to field a minimum of 40 JU88s, they only field 22. Giving the benefit of the doubt (saying the no show squad would have field their max +2 of 12) the axis were 6 JU88s short. So a penalty of -60.

Am i missing something?...


Operation Husky - Frame 2

Summary for the Axis
Side Statistics   Pilots   243
  Sorties   315
  Landed   147
  Deaths   65
  Captured   22
  Disco'd   10
  Crashed   53
  Ditched   5
  Bailed   13
  Kills   182
  Assists   141
  Objects Destroyed   170
  # of Bf 109F-4 used   30
  # of Bf 109G-2 used   44
  # of Bf 109G-6 used   5
  # of C.205 used   36
  # of Fw 190A-5 used   50
  # of Gunner-Observer used   37
  # of Ju 88A-4 used   86  
 # of M8 used   27

[Saxman]

Attack planes, not buffs.  Yes, we let them attack A56, before engaging them.  We spotted them between the two fields.  They turned north to our surprise and dropped on A56.  We followed them and after they dropped their ords, we attacked.

There's the rub, right there. If GD decides to score it the egg's on your face for letting them drop before engaging. If he doesn't, he's penalizing a squad that followed the instructions they were given.

Maybe this is just me, but whether they turn to the wrong target or not my squad hits them before they get there either way.

[Stampf]

There's the rub, right there. If GD decides to score it the egg's on your face for letting them drop before engaging. If he doesn't, he's penalizing a squad that followed the instructions they were given.

Maybe this is just me, but whether they turn to the wrong target or not my squad hits them before they get there either way.

 

Glad you usually allied.

24 P47's vrs. 14 BF109F's ?

No sir.  We needed some kind of equalization, and that was letting them blow their 25 k of alt before engaging, but you lead yours and I'll lead mine. 

[DMBEAR]

Thanks for clarifying stampf. So you attack the bombers after they dropped, yes?

Okay let me think on this (totaly my screw up both sides did what they were supposed to) and then talk to all those involved about the issue and possible resolutions.

A map with no key is not an order.

Clearly written Defense objectives are an order.

Did the Allied attack obj. state to attack 56? Or was it only an interpretation of the map?

  -Assi

[j500ss]

As for the Axis they seemed to have trouble at A47 but otherwise destroyed all their land base targets. They also did much better against the fleets in frame 2 than in frame 1. They sank 2 CVs, 1 CA, and 1 DD.


ALLIED BOMBING
============
288 (out of 288) – A11 (100% destroyed)
186 (out of 288) – A18 (64.8% destroyed)
396 (out of 396) – A26 (100% destroyed)
288 (out of 288) – A57 (100% destroyed)
000 (out of 180) – C106 (0% destroyed)

80.5% of all targets destroyed



AXIS BOMBING
============
098 (out of 288) – A47 (34.1% destroyed)
288 (out of 288) - A103 (100% destroyed)
288 (out of 288) - A114 (100% destroyed)
120 (out of 300) - C10 (40% destroyed, 1 CV)
210 (out of 270) - C7 (77.8% destroyed, 1 CV, 1 CA, 1 DD)

63.2% of all targets destroyed

Maybe this is already known, maybe not.  332nd was assigned A47, we went in 24 strong in JU-88's. Kermit's squad did best they possibly could <S>, they were 8 strong I believe. That was all the escort we had, 1 squad was no show  . Can't help but believe they would have made some difference. It got ugly quick once we made contact with allied spits.

 

[ghostdancer]

In frame 1 only 22 JU88s were used. The minimum was to have 40. One 7-10 squad was a no show (for frame 1 and frame 2 .. they have been suspended now for frame 3 and at least next FSO). So if they turned out say their max of 12 the Axis were still 6 planes short. That is where that penalty came from.

86 Ju-88s were used in frame 2 not frame 1.