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« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2001, 12:41:00 AM »
I am a very average pilot in the 51, or any other plane for that matter, but I'm putting in my two bits worth anyway.

P51D has only one strength in my opinion, It is a great plane for b&z. Other than a few guys who are great in anything, you just can't squeeze this thing into a perk catagorie no how.


 There are planes and pilots in AH that can make any one of the planes in ammo's list look very average.

Any fighter plane in AH flown with b&z tactics could achieve the same results as the 51D.

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« Reply #61 on: November 23, 2001, 03:31:00 AM »
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Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
The P-51 turns like crap.  Its ONLY strenght is its speed.   Hell... its main apeal is its looks.  Other than that, it ain't got much going for it.  Damn.. the dora doesn't even have looks.

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Get lost  :D

(p.s. The Fw190D9 is the best looking fighter EVER  :))

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« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2001, 04:15:00 AM »
"p.s. The Fw190D9 is the best looking fighter EVER "

Drunk again RAM???  :p


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« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2001, 08:14:00 AM »
Please note this, Whatever HTC does or does not do with the perk system, I will still enjoy myself in this sim. And you will not see me throwing a tantrum on this BBS or in the game.  It was just a suggestion.  

Personally, I think the Pony, G10 and the Dora are the 3 most survivable prop fighters in the game. The LA7 is in that category also, but it is limited to lower altitudes.  Sax, you say that any fighter plane in the game could achieve the same results as the P-51 would (or any of the fighters I mentioned). That just isn't true. Not all the fighters have the same capabilities.

mav said---  Ammo, the only way you are going to get what you want in the current game is to fly H2H and dictate what other players can fly. You can also develope your own game and dictate the rules there. If you are going to "dicate" the rides players can fly why should they stay here?


Man if nothing changes in the game, I will still be shooting down AC and dieing with a smile on my face.  I dont want to "dictate" anything.  

It also seems to me that if HTC took my suggestion, there would be an enourmous uproar in this community, at least the vocal ones that frequent this BBS. I dont think they want that. It is ironic that it was the same enourmous uproar about the F4U-1C that got it perked.  Not  nessecarily the same people of course.

Blue mako said---  I never said Ammo couldn't kill them, I said he didn't want to see all of those planes that are difficult to kill.

That isnt it at all. I DO NOT fly the most UBER AC in the arena and I do not want to dominate it. This seem to be the same train of thought with JAB and others I am sure.  I am competitive in nature, but I dont lose sleep over getting beat. I still throw a salute and smile and get right back up. I do get aggrevated at myself for making mistakes. I go looking for the hardest to kill FIRST, and I really like facing a really good pilot. Ask Fester   :) I may not beat 'em, but I am gonna get after them. The only reason I say all this is for those of you that think I have selfish motives. That is not my intent. As a matter of fact, Using hindsight, I doubt I would have brought this up in this forum.

Thx Urchin, Wotan, and others that defended me   :)

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« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
Don't thik your motives are the least bit selfish ammo.

And I said any plane flown as b&z, with the right pilot could achieve same results as the 51D.

This is a interesting and entertaining topic ammo. But i'll tell you what, take the 51 into a furball full of spits,F6F's and so on.

After you do that say 20 times, tell us your honest opinion.

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« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2001, 01:44:00 PM »
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Don't thik your motives are the least bit selfish ammo.

And I said any plane flown as b&z, with the right pilot could achieve same results as the 51D.

This is a interesting and entertaining topic ammo. But i'll tell you what, take the 51 into a furball full of spits,F6F's and so on.

After you do that say 20 times, tell us your honest opinion.

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I did last night a few sorties. At 49 and south of there I think i danced with a couple of your guys.  The trick is to set up your pass so you dont have to slow down. Just dive, attack, and speed out the other side of the furball and recover your alt. Course,  there will sometimes be this guy high that you dont see, he can very much ruin your day if you cant extend enough. Somethimes ya get caught, but if you are really miserly with your energy,  the pony can keep you safe.
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« Reply #66 on: November 23, 2001, 01:53:00 PM »
nah make the f4u4 and tempest cheaper.

never see em in the air.


even the 262 is overpriced  :)
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« Reply #67 on: November 23, 2001, 01:58:00 PM »
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nah make the f4u4 and tempest cheaper.

never see em in the air.


even the 262 is overpriced   :)

I agree with that, and the TA152. Well...except for the 262. I think its current price is about right :)
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« Reply #68 on: November 23, 2001, 05:39:00 PM »
so saying that ammo, we agree that the 51 is great for bouncing only. Hard to say it can dictate a fight by constantly zooming straight through the the other side.

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« Reply #69 on: November 23, 2001, 06:25:00 PM »
Make all planes that are late war models and that have EARLIER VERSION in the game be cheap (4) perks.

Really, when was the last time you saw more than 1 la5, p51B the same day?

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« Reply #70 on: November 23, 2001, 06:39:00 PM »
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Really, when was the last time you saw more than 1 la5, p51B the same day?

How many are you supposed to see?  Are there not supposed to be any seldomely used planes?  Really?  So every plane must stand an equal chance of being used.  Hmmmm.. ok.

When was the last time you saw two perk planes in the same day?  What is it this thread was suggesting again?  Oh yea... perk even more aircraft.

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« Reply #71 on: November 23, 2001, 08:52:00 PM »
This thread makes me so happy I just want to SING!

"Perk 'em all!
Perk 'em all!

The large and the fast and the small.

Perk all the Nikkis and C-Hogs in blue,

Perk anything that can shoot back at you!

`cause they're asking to just perk 'em all

As back to their Squadrons they crawl,

There'll be constant crying

as long as they're dying,

So cheer up, my lads,

Perk 'em all!

Nobody knows if the FM's are true,

So cheer up, my lads,

Perk 'em all!"


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« Reply #72 on: November 23, 2001, 09:33:00 PM »
Ammo's numbers are irrelevant. Ammo is an exception to the mass in the MA. Ammo's choice of planes, and his performance are not typical of the norm. Ergo, his performance and record should not be used to determine the perk system.

Urchin singled out BlueMako and checked his stats and aircraft standings. Mako belongs to a squad that uses primarily the P51D. Given that fact it should be understood that he would be upset that anyone suggest it be perked. That would mean he was spending perkies everytime he flew.

I have gone through extensive studies of this perk system. I know what planes give the best perks, and I can tell you that removing the P51, FW190D-9, Bf 109 g10, and La7 will leave one ride that will milk perks. The P47. There are planes that give better perks, but you won't get more perks per sortie than the P47 will. No two ways about it.

Yes, the P47 returns more perks than any of the above aircraft, even now. Let's test that out.

P47-D25 kills Me262 : 31/5 = 6.2 perks

P47-D30 kills Me262 : 29/5 = 5.8 perks

109 G10 kills Me262 : 22/5 = 4.4 perks

P47-D11 kills Me262 : 18/5 = 3.6 perks

P51D kills Me262 : 18/5 = 3.6 perks

FW190-D9 kills Me262 : 18/5 = 3.6 perks

La7 kills Me262 : 15/5 = 3 perks

This is indicative of a single kill only. The ammo load on the P47 allows for it to carry home several kills every sortie. Now, true, you won't be killing several Me262's, but let's test out the perk system another way. Let's say ammo flies the D30 and hunts only P51D's, and he lands 1.75 kills every sortie (his current average). So, (31/18)*1.75 = 3.01 perks every sortie. Now, since I was one of the P51's that killed him I know he doesn't always fly the Jug, but you can see where this would benefit him. That A6M will be your undoing, ammo  ;) By sticking to the P47 and taking home more kills per sortie you'll get the perks you seek, and be ahead of everyone that has to 'buy' their ride.

Should the airplanes named be removed, another would only come to the forefront.

HT and Pyro have this figured out very well. They have to have a plane base from which to determine a reward system. It is given that some planes initially released as perk rides may not, in truth, be worthy of that status. The ENY's are calculated carefully, and I don't believe they have all remained the same, but I think they haven't changed much. That implies considerable thought has gone into the perk system as it stands.

Don't mess with it!

I don't for a minute think ammo is being selfish in his suggestion. Ammo is talented and may consider it more balancing for players like him if the system were modified in the suggested way. On the whole, however, players are not so skilled.

Finally, we keep hearing references to WWII and the time frame of aircraft introduction. Of what relevance does this have for this game? I submit that it is irrelevant. If, you would only think of the aircraft available as tools in a drawer and select the tool best suited for the current situation at hand (during game play), then you would see more logic in the extent of selection.

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« Reply #73 on: November 23, 2001, 11:28:00 PM »
ammo gets 1.7550 kills per

whos to say he did that using up all his ammo in a p47 and rtbing he could of easily killed 2 rtb rearmed upped again and repeated this over and over to achieve the same thing no matter what plane.

So if a guy that flies a late war plane with a lo eny value should find his ride perked at 8 what would happen is he would go to a plane with a high eny value learn to fly it and get kills. He would also be more likely to forego the suicidal nature of the main to rtb to get the most out of his sorties. He would in turn be more likely fly his favorite plane less recklessly. And his K/d would go up.

Its onething to say no I wanna fly what I want, which is perfectly reasonable. But to say that anyone who believes the expansion of the perk set is a selfish score potato who only advocates perking those planes which he has trouble with or that he would exclude his own fav ride to ensure more perks for himself is rediculous.

I'm 12 and 1 in a 205 a had a run of 9 and 1 mostly nikis and spits and gotta toejame load of perks. If your worried about getting perk points then you will do what ya need to get umm.

Is this unfair maybe so but the entire "perk system" aint fair but it makes for better gameplay. It sure beats the hell out of an rps.

In an arena of late war monsters and 5-8 plannes make up 60 % of the kills why even develope an early war planeset. For scenarios? well even if we have umm every three months the majority of the planes yet to be modelled will ineffective in the main except to a hardcore few.

You say you should be able to fly whatever plane you want 8 perks isnt going to stop that. You say you dont wanna be forced to fly another plane just to earn the perks to fly your fav. But is it fair if a guy that likes to fly early birds is forced to fly late war birds to be competitive?

he pays 15 bucks tooo

Those that say "well the only thing a 51 has is speed" well no toejame what else do ya need in the main? Thats the same with the g10 d9 and la7.

We disagree about this in my squad but we dont attack each others motives.

I dont think it will happen but its a good idea...............

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« Reply #74 on: November 24, 2001, 12:00:00 AM »
"When was the last time you saw two perk planes in the same day"

I see about 8 to 10 perk rides every day larry. Just last night I bagged an arado and an F4U-4 in my me262  :D

Ta152's I see every now and then, they are the most common of the perkrides out there imo.

I have only seen ONE tempest though. Maybe the La7's have been cutting into their birthrate.  ;)