What to get: 2006 Z06 or 2006 911 S?

[CAP1]

No doubt Ferrari had it down cold.

Now... as for the good old days... I think they ended when Mika left.  Loved him. 

heh.....

was watchin top gear last night. they had to buy "supercars" for under 10,000 pounds. they got an old ferreri, an old lambo, and an old something else.


wanna guess which one lost it's engine on the highway?

[Die Hard]

The "something else".

Was a Maserati Merak btw. The Ferrari had electrical problems and the Lamborghini ran out of gas.

[SPKmes]

So...Mondego..... what ya getting 

[CAP1]

The "something else".

Was a Maserati Merak btw. The Ferrari had electrical problems and the Lamborghini ran out of gas.

thank you. i couldn't remember what the "something else" was. 

[eddiek]

So...Mondego..... what ya getting 

He drove both cars and the Porsche was the one for him.  That got lost about oh......8 or more pages back I think. 
At least he drove both and didn't just take some magazine article to heart.  Enjoy your car, Mondego!  Don't let us nut cases bother ya now.....

[morfiend]

Remember in 80's  f1 engines were producing 1400+ HP out of 1.5 litre? They still had spring valves,13000 rpm was their limit tho

 Oh ya those were the days,man that 1.5 BMW in the Brabum was a thing of beauty!

 IIRC they were pushing close to 7 atmospheres through those blocks,supposedly unused 2002 blocks.

[Saurdaukar]

 Oh ya those were the days,man that 1.5 BMW in the Brabum was a thing of beauty!

 IIRC they were pushing close to 7 atmospheres through those blocks,supposedly unused 2002 blocks.

Those were 2002 blocks?  Holy crap.

[BigPlay]

He took the Porsche after comparing Insurance quotes and other useless "data" from a Base model 911 to a ZR-1.   I.E. - He wasn't as thorough as he thought he was and "bought on impulse". 

Now...... he didn't use your money and did his own amount of research that made him comfortable with his purchase. Your bias comments really doesn't have a place in any of it does it. I can assure you that if given the opportunity I can scrutinize many of your choices as well.

[BigPlay]

So BigPlay .. if yer not factory trained you can't build a perfect motor?

ROFL.

Diehard .. in the case of the oval pistons .. common sense would indicate the oval pistons go in the oval holes.
-shrug- .. still just another motor, albeit a weird one.

As I said .. all I need to know are the specs and any tricks. You two can nit-pick all you like.
Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.

*I* built a bracket motor and it ran in the car for 18 years.
It never broke.
I changed intake system, cam, converter, gears, tires ..to go a bit faster.
Bracket finals 4 different years, in SoCal division 7 back in the day.
You have to be invited, and place in the top 16 of the field in your bracket over a years schedule of races,
..and be able to walk the walk.

I worked for a SoCal speed shop for almost 10 years ..part time, while I was in the USAF.
Engine builder-tuner.
*Hundreds*
-shrug-

But what do I know.
Never been to a 'factory' school .. taught some factory guys how to setup a Mallory with a tunnel ram tho.

Was kinda cool to build that 454 Monte Carlo the CHP used between Barstow and the state line to bust the Ferrari's with.
We dual turbo'd it, put a 2.54 gear in the back .. 1k hp was at 5500 rpm .. we had to put the big pirelli's on it, had steel rims made for it, painted black, fit up under it, an the lil center caps ..you had to look close to see that the rears were 12's Fronts were 10.5's

Guy who drove it said they popped some nimrod in his red ferrari the first nite out ..the guy punched it thinkin to outrun the big chebby 4-door .. the Monte Carlo dropped into second, smoked the tires a bit, and blew by the ferrari to pull in front .. would have loved a look at the guys face in the Ferrari

..but your right Bigplay, nothin I ever built was 'perfect' .. every single one of 'em could have been faster .. LOL

Closest I got to 'perfect' was the 529" marine rat motor, titanium rods, crane roller, dual 1050's feedin Mondello Nascar heads with the direct port nitrous setup by the specs from the guy who set the record with his IHRA car .. far as I know the nitrous was never used.
It yanked the '69 camaro around like it was nothin ..ran a 9.30 on it's very first pass .. second pass it ate the ford 9" (I told the owner it would .. the motor was a monster .. intake valves were 2.35's (!!) ..cam was over .700" lift .. 6500 rpm shifts ..probably could have twisted it further ..just not much need to.

-GE aka Frank

Then open your own shop if your all that. I still wouldn't have you work on my airplane , Ferrari or home heating system without proper training. Here in California there are probally more exotic cars then anywhere in the world and every shop that I see that rebuilds engines have their technicians factory trained. I'm not sure but I would ponder that Ferrari wouldn't sell you parts without this designation. My understanding is that you can't order a new Ferrari without previously owning one.

 I doubt that you could legally work on an airplanes engine without proper training  and the required qualifications either. So when people say that they can work on anything and aren't trained through proper channels I avoid them. I wouldn't let anyone touch a $300,000 car when they have no business doing so. Just because you or anyone else says that they can doesn't convince me. If you or anyone else can do what you say you can then what's stopping you from moving away from the double wide and making money with said talent. My point was that I , meaning me would have my reservations about having a car as expensive as a Ferrari serviced by anyone less then a factory trained technician. So no need to defend your knowledge about engine rebuilding to me because if I did own one no amount of convincing from you or even the motor god Cap would or could change my mind.

[Golfer]

 I doubt that you could legally work on an airplanes engine without proper training  and the required qualifications either. 

I hate to burst your bubble but not only can you work on an airplane engine, airframe and avionics without a license it happens every single day in shops all across the country.  Legally, professionally and on the up and up.

The qualifications come into play regarding being able to sign off the work either as a licensed mechanic or an additional certification which is known as an inspection authorization.  Any joe off the street with some mechanical aptitude can walk into an aircraft maintenance shop and get a job.  When enough time has passed and their apprenticeship requirements completed they can obtain their own aircraft and/or powerplant certifications to now endorse the work they have performed on airplanes requiring such logbook entries.

[CAP1]

 My understanding is that you can't order a new Ferrari without previously owning one.

so......if one can't buy a ferrari, without having previously owned one, then how does one become a first time ferrari owner?

[RTHolmes]

that only applies to the really special stuff like the Enzo, you had to own several decent ferraris before they would even consider selling you one. same for 599s, you move up the list a lot quicker if you have a 212 Inter parked up at home

theres not many car makers in a position to pick who they sell to, Bristol are notorious for turning down sales to "unsuitable" customers

[BigPlay]

I hate to burst your bubble but not only can you work on an airplane engine, airframe and avionics without a license it happens every single day in shops all across the country.  Legally, professionally and on the up and up.

The qualifications come into play regarding being able to sign off the work either as a licensed mechanic or an additional certification which is known as an inspection authorization.  Any joe off the street with some mechanical aptitude can walk into an aircraft maintenance shop and get a job.  When enough time has passed and their apprenticeship requirements completed they can obtain their own aircraft and/or powerplant certifications to now endorse the work they have performed on airplanes requiring such logbook entries.

Bubble not burst, I wasn't sure but as stated there is a certified person that has to put there john Hancock on and in order for said mechanic to get his certification there is a process that is required. Maybe any joe can do the work but as you stated there but  needs a guy in there that can sign off on the work with the proper certs. What I was trying to say is even if Greyeagle had the knowledge he doesn't have the authorization to do it legally. Now would you buy a plane that was serviced by a shop that had no certification to do so. My guess is no. My point is I have no interest in purchasing or owning anything that is not maintained by what the manufactures requirements are for maintenance personal.

[BigPlay]

so......if one can't buy a ferrari, without having previously owned one, then how does one become a first time ferrari owner?

Jezz Cap, by purchaseing a used one first. I said you can't order a new one without first owning one and that would mean a used one. You can buy if available a starter Ferrari but even their hard to come by.

[AKP]

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