i understand the numbers. numbers cannot, and do not tke into account the many many variables in a fight though, as shown here.
now to figure out how the hell to link the film.
Cap1 thanks for the taking the time, to film it, and describe it in such detail. I will watch later. I'm at work now.
Also i would like to clear up one big mis-understanding...
I do realize that the 38 departs later and possibly not at all if flown correctly. But I'm talking about chasing a P38 at nearly similar speed in level flight and he pulls vertical and I pull up after him. In the initial part of the manuever, well before the onset of stall for either plane, the P-38 seems to extend away as though it were losing speed slower. There are only two explanation for this (and please don't restart the incorrect energy discussion again).
1. I'm pulling harder than the 38 in the initial pitch up maneuver and bleeding off more speed than the 38
2. I'm mis-judging the distance I am behind the 38, and while I initially close the gap, I do not get close enough for kill before we enter the stall region where the 38 departs later and hence does extend away (or more correctly I fall away from the 38)
3. P-38 are the Agent Smith of the Aces High Matrix.
I strongly suspect 1. and 2. are the real answers. But nagging at me is that so many in the MA seem to screw the pooch the same way I do when chasing 38 pilots. VonMessa had a theory the the size of 38 makes chasing pilots mis-judge there distance and speed, which combined with their better departure characteristics in the stall region provide the entire explanation.
I can learn a lot from watching it done correctly and incorrectly on film, instead of padding Lazerr's stats by figuring it out the hard way in the MA.