P-38 kill ratio...out of whack.

[Vinkman]

Dr. Phil The Rapist?

He's not even licensed. 

Knew that guy was a loser from the get go.

Is Dr. Phil a rapist?  Never heard that before.

[Vinkman]

Ill pass... him and a select few of his squadmates go out of their way to be rude and annoying to me.  I really dont care to help someone that is taking blaring HO passes in the DA..l hosing from 1k out.. listening to the film is almost hilarious.  And to top it off this guy spurtz crap in the arena, saying "all I know in the p38 is the hammerhead," which wasnt even being used.. lol

More power to ya I guess.  Hard for me to deal with someone who takes the time you give them in the DA to maybe learn something, and he just spits in your virtual face.    

I help people in the game, but not that type.  I've wasted my time there before!;)

Listen, this could go on forever and I'm probably wasting my time but...

I have said nothing rude to you, on this board or in the arena. And I have tried to be very cordial despite your constant put downs and trash talking. (and that isn't easy). In all of these comments, I address YOU when I have something to say about you, But you take your trash talking to everyone else. If you want to pretend I've done something to convince you I'm a person of low character (like Ho-ing you, OMG!) then go ahead, but in my opinion, it's just weird the way to you try to ruin peoples reps on the BBs. It's just weird. ( See 'Muttley' post)


So in case there is any misunderstanding....I thanked you for going to the DA. I accepted the DA invite in place of a squaddie that wouldn't, because I thought he was a puss for talking crap and not going. I knew I was going to get my bellybutton beat, but I thought I'd learn something about flying against 38s which I was having a ton of trouble with at the time. I DID get my bellybutton beat. I think I even apologied for not giving you much of a challenge. If you have them, post the films. I maybe embarrassed about my sucky flying, but not ashamed of anything I said or did.

[rough_wood]

The hammerhead doesn't need 2 throttles, in fact I think it works better without.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aIeejNkRbY

I've tried it both ways, quite a bit, and full throttle on both engines is the way to go.

[Silat]

The P38 had the highest K/D ratio among all USAAC planes, not to mention the top scoring US Aces of WW2 flew P38s.

Raptor of the hi pitched voice we all know that 38 dweebs recorded those high stats do to all the headons they used.

[mensa180]

38 powar.

[Ghastly]

Two thoughts (as if it matters after this many pages, but...) 

Stats mean nothing.  There are no two more similar planes in the planeset than the F4U-1A and the F4U-1D, and if you go by the stats, the -1D is less than half as capable as the -1A.  Niche planes - those limited in popularity enough to mostly be flown by affecianados of the aircraft always "seem" better than they are.

And... from what I've read the 38 has a very low coefficient of drag in RL - and the primary REASON that the aircraft needed dive flaps (and that SOP against earlier models was a dive away from if in trouble) was because it would accelerate into compression in th the dive faster than the aircraft it was engaged with.  '

Stands to reason that as a result, it would zoom better than average as a result as well - especially coupled with the helicopter effect of twin engine counter rotating props.

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[Mister Fork]

As the Chuck Yeager always said "its the man, not the machine."

So you have a bunch of pilots who are brilliant dogfighters are flying the P-38G. Get over yourself.

[Shuffler]

Hehe this thread is long in the tooth.

I think vink already learned that the 38 is more than just a vertical bird.

Guess the new stats kind of reawakened this thread.

[Masherbrum]

As the Chuck Yeager always said "its the man, not the machine."

So you have a bunch of pilots who are brilliant dogfighters are flying the P-38G. Get over yourself.

 

[humble]

The very simple reality is that certain planes reward exceptional piloting skills more then others. Not all in the same way obviously. The 38 was a tremendous lane IRL. Everyone talks about the P-51 over Berlin but the plane that got the buffs there 1st was the 38G. So when you read all about the "issues" the 38 had and the lack of respect the Germans gave it you need to put two facts in perspective. The G was the only plane for the mission at the time so it was put in a role it wasn't suited for and asked to do things no other plane in the world could do (even badly) at the time. It was also the test bed for all the technical issues that cropped up in flying long range high altitude combat escort. So the P-47's and p-51's that followed had significantly less issues. The G was still being flown in front line combat in late 43 and even into mid 1944 (I'm sure Guppy can give all the details). The J (and L) are late war and very optimized and performed very well.

As for AH no plane in the game is more pilot dependent IMO...less then average when flown by an average stick. Better then good when flown to its strengths and beyond uber when flown by a "38 ace" who knows and appreciates it's subtleties.

[Vinkman]

The very simple reality is that certain planes reward exceptional piloting skills more then others. Not all in the same way obviously. The 38 was a tremendous lane IRL. Everyone talks about the P-51 over Berlin but the plane that got the buffs there 1st was the 38G. So when you read all about the "issues" the 38 had and the lack of respect the Germans gave it you need to put two facts in perspective. The G was the only plane for the mission at the time so it was put in a role it wasn't suited for and asked to do things no other plane in the world could do (even badly) at the time. It was also the test bed for all the technical issues that cropped up in flying long range high altitude combat escort. So the P-47's and p-51's that followed had significantly less issues. The G was still being flown in front line combat in late 43 and even into mid 1944 (I'm sure Guppy can give all the details). The J (and L) are late war and very optimized and performed very well.

As for AH no plane in the game is more pilot dependent IMO...less then average when flown by an average stick. Better then good when flown to its strengths and beyond uber when flown by a "38 ace" who knows and appreciates it's subtleties.

I watch the Stats for 38 go up and down. I have a new theory that most foks don't like this plane, so it it mostly flown by it's loyal and expert fans in the game. Since most of the sorties are disctributed to veteran pilots, that stats go up. Then people see the high stats and think it's a great plane and they'll be just as good if they fly it. The number of sorties goes up, only now they are distributed among lesser quality pilots and numbers drop off. Disillusioned with the plane, the number of sorties drops off again and the stats go back up.

so if all the SAPP guys and other p-38 loyalists swithed over to P-39, the P-39 K/D would jump to 4:1 and many would think the 39 model had been changed improperly to suddenly give it an advantage. No one flies the P-39 so it's numbers would change quickly.

Hey SAPP guys, why not try it and see if in a month, a bunch of threads pop up asking if the p-39 model was hacked. 

[CAP1]

I watch the Stats for 38 go up and down. I have a new theory that most foks don't like this plane, so it it mostly flown by it's loyal and expert fans in the game. Since most of the sorties are disctributed to veteran pilots, that stats go up. Then people see the high stats and think it's a great plane and they'll be just as good if they fly it. The number of sorties goes up, only now they are distributed among lesser quality pilots and numbers drop off. Disillusioned with the plane, the number of sorties drops off again and the stats go back up.

so if all the SAPP guys and other p-38 loyalists swithed over to P-39, the P-39 K/D would jump to 4:1 and many would think the 39 model had been changed improperly to suddenly give it an advantage. No one flies the P-39 so it's numbers would change quickly.

Hey SAPP guys, why not try it and see if in a month, a bunch of threads pop up asking if the p-39 model was hacked. 

the only thing i can hit in a p-39 is the ground.
















with my p-39.

 i'll stick to my ole p-38 o doom. 

[Lazerr]

lol.. f4u1a being more capable than a 1d?  Yeah right.  It can run faster is about all, its owned in all other aspects.

[druski85]

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...so if all the SAPP guys and other p-38 loyalists swithed over to P-39...

No room for a blender in the 39 cockpit.  Ain't gonna happen. 

[Lusche]

lol.. f4u1a being more capable than a 1d? 

The main reason why the F4U-D is getting killed much more is that both planes are mostly used in totally different roles:
The -1a as a fighter
The -D as a bomb truck, which may fight after dropping it's ords... but most of the time, it's dead by then.