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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #75 on: November 22, 2009, 06:17:58 PM »
Maybe.

Great movie though.  :aok

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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #76 on: November 22, 2009, 06:22:36 PM »
Nope. Sarin is a heavier-than-air persistent agent. A one ton bomb (with sub munitions for optimal dispersion) would cover an area of tens of square miles with a blanket of death. The blanket cloud would hug the ground and drift with the wind. It would linger in basements, ditches and sewers for weeks and kill anyone that comes in contact with it. Lethal exposure would be measured in seconds. It's really nasty stuff.
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #77 on: November 22, 2009, 06:37:09 PM »
Wow!!

  I wish people would read abit before posting,Warhed obviously knows what he's talking about,he works in the industry!

  A dirty bomb is my worst fear,easy to make and aquire and long term.

 Oh well 2012 is not far off,maybe a big rock will make this discussion moot..... :devil

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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #78 on: November 22, 2009, 06:44:54 PM »
A dirty bomb is my worst fear,easy to make and aquire and long term.

I'm a bit more rational; I fear cancer and heart disease.
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« Reply #79 on: November 22, 2009, 06:53:32 PM »
I'm a bit more rational; I fear cancer and heart disease.


 Ok so maybe I over stated my case....  One could assume from your response you think I'm irrational!

 Thats the farthest thing from the truth,oh and cancer and heart disease is pretty much the norm these days dont you want to be normal too??

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« Reply #80 on: November 22, 2009, 07:00:53 PM »
There is a radioactive element in x-ray machines. 
No there is not. You think portable battery powered X-ray machine has plutonium or something in it?
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #81 on: November 22, 2009, 07:02:07 PM »

 Ok so maybe I over stated my case....  One could assume from your response you think I'm irrational!

 Thats the farthest thing from the truth,oh and cancer and heart disease is pretty much the norm these days dont you want to be normal too??

Stating that I'm a bit more rational does only imply that you are a bit less rational, not that you are irrational. No, I don't want to be normal. Normal is boring. ;)
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #82 on: November 22, 2009, 07:07:25 PM »
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #83 on: November 22, 2009, 07:25:46 PM »
No there is not. You think portable battery powered X-ray machine has plutonium or something in it?

Well, I know there is some machine that has an element in it.  
Interesting point, if I were to get an X-ray at the doctors, and count that towards my dose limits, I would be close to the limit of dose the industry allows me in a year.  My original point was, it is not difficult to accumulate radioactive material in the civilian world to use for a dirty bomb.  A single hospital would provide enough of it to make a pretty nasty dirty bomb.
On the reasons a dirty bomb is not as scary to me, is the media portrays it as a cheap nuclear bomb.  It is anything but.  With no nuclear explosion, you have no massive amounts of radiation being put out, no fall out, etc.   You just have a very contaminated area where the explosion happened, but that can be cleaned.  As long as the response was quick, there would be hardly any long term radiation doses to the public.  
During my time in the nuclear industry, I have had contamination on me, and in me.  If I have it on me, we wash it off, if it was serious enough that a good washing could not remove it, you could remove particles by simply cutting them out.  When I ingested or breathed in contamination, you flush it out naturally.  
Not saying by any means it would not be a devastating and deadly situation, but compared to the horrors of nerve gas and other agents, damage from a dirty bomb would be rather minimal compared to a chemical\biological attack.  Mostly due to the fact radiation is generally only deadly in very large acute doses, or over an extended time.  A typical dirty bomb the media portrays, would not have enough radiation to kill from acute doses.  As long as officials could clean people and areas within a reasonable time, the effect would be negligible.  

# February 1, 2000 – The radiation source of a teletherapy unit was stolen from a parking lot in Samut Prakarn, Thailand and dismantled in a junkyard for scrap metal. Workers completely removed the 60Co source from the lead shielding, and became ill shortly thereafter. The radioactive nature of the metal and the resulting contamination was not discovered until 18 days later. Seven injuries and three deaths were a result of this incident.[25]
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #84 on: November 22, 2009, 07:40:26 PM »
Apparently they use Cobalt  in some machines.
My apologies.
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #85 on: November 22, 2009, 07:45:12 PM »
Apparently they use Cobalt  in some machines.
My apologies.

No apology needed, I don't have much of a clue other than a few stories I've heard.  
One such story being, a small medical clinic was demolished, and a boy on the way home from school looked through the materials, and picked up what he thought to be a cool looking rock.  Being a boy, he took a fancy to it and brought it home, his mother washed it off and put it in the kitchen drawer.  The father was away for the weekend so he hadn't heard of his son's discovery.  When he returned, he found his wife and son close to death in the home suffering from radiation poisoning.  
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #86 on: November 22, 2009, 07:48:48 PM »

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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #87 on: November 22, 2009, 07:51:40 PM »



Well let's see now ah... cobalt thorium G... Radioactive halflife of uh, ... hmm.. I would think that uh... possibly uh... one hundred years?
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #88 on: November 22, 2009, 08:49:51 PM »
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_iran_war_games;_ylt=At1Wcmnw4F8aEg4RqfkUNnB0fNdF

If your nuclear program was for peacefull purposes would you need to do this?
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 Or maybe its to keep the terrorists from getting at the nuke site, with their Air Force.

i wouldn't sweat it.
when isreal gets fed up with them, they;ll send in a strike again.
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Re: Iran war games?
« Reply #89 on: November 22, 2009, 08:53:52 PM »
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