Whistle blowing on Global Warming

[CAP1]

Funny... That chart DOES NOT correlate with your own experience, does it?

ssshhhh

[Widewing]

Fresh data.
Notice that those who debate GW occuring the most, mainly live in a "cold" pocket. This January actually ranks as one of the top ten hottest...ever, but take measurements that suggest warming with a grain of salt, right?
(Image removed from quote.)

I notice that this chart is bullhockey. It shows the NE US as being warmer than normal... Someone should have told us about this, and perhaps we would not have been freezing our tulips off... For the record, the average temperature for January in my region was 3.7 degrees F below normal. That idiot charts shows it being warmer than normal by 1 to 2 degrees C.

The best indicator of temperature trends for me is home heating oil and electric consumption. My oil use in gallons has been 15% higher this year, and we programmed the thermostat 2 degrees lower. Last summer, out electric use in kilowatt hours (air conditioning being the single biggest factor) was 19% lower.

Another confusing thing... Our weather in the NE, specifically cold air, comes from Canada. So, how is it that we were colder than the source? Seriously, this chart defies logic. Hell, it defies reality. Then again, if it's NOAA's data, they're probably using rectal thermometers.


My regards,

Widewing

[Anaxogoras]

I notice that this chart is bullhockey.

NOAA is a very reputable institution, and the chart refers to the years 1971-2000, not a specific year.

[sluggish]

NOAA is a very reputable institution, and the chart refers to the years 1971-2000, not a specific year.

So we should just disregard it since it is at least ten year old data, right?

[Widewing]

NOAA is a very reputable institution, and the chart refers to the years 1971-2000, not a specific year.

It states, Temperature Anomalies January 2010, with respect to a 1971-2000 time period. It is referring to a specific year, relative (or in comparison to) to a 30 year period.



My regards,

Widewing

[Anaxogoras]

It states, Temperature Anomalies January 2010, with respect to a 1971-2000 time period. It is referring to a specific year, relative (or in comparison to) to a 30 year period.



My regards,

Widewing

You are right.  I'm reading the fine print and ignoring the title.

[Widewing]

You are right.  I'm reading the fine print and ignoring the title.

Don't sweat it... I miss the obvious so often that it's... obvious.




My regards,

Widewing

[batch]

just some food for thought on that latest image.......... and I say food for thought simply because I just noticed it and havent had a chance to dig deeper and draw my own conclusions yet

on the page you took that image from..... which is a combined land/sea using 1971-2000 as their baseline......... right beside it is another image which is only land and uses a 1961-1990 baseline...... but somehow they have the exact same anomalies over land shown .......

so the 90s which are widely accepted in the alarmist circles as being a great deal hotter (this after all does include the 2 years they cite as hottest on record) did not make any difference in the averages whatsoever?

first thought would be that one of the 2 images is obviously fiction ...... but that cant be ....... they are reputable

[CAP1]

oin my own little corner of the world...the last 2 summers, it was not warm enough to warrant the use of my a/c in my home or car.
 last winter was a little mild....but we had some really cold days...in January.........and this past winter, is stupidly cold......

unfortunately, that chart shows my little corner of the world as warmer....thus i say this.



shenanigans.

[Angus]

Funny... That chart DOES NOT correlate with your own experience, does it?

Oh, yes it does.
Bear in mind, that we are promtly at a solar minimum now. Just wait some 6 years 

[sluggish]

Oh, yes it does.
Bear in mind, that we are promtly at a solar minimum now. Just wait some 6 years 

Angus...  Now you're just being disingenuous.  You have been going on about how crops are growing in your area that haven't grown there before.  You've said over and over that your glaciers are melting.  You stated again and again that your region is noticeably warmer.  Now you are going to blindly concur with an obviously skewed chart with this "solar minimum" silliness....

Now... Once and for all...  Is it warmer or colder than what is historically "normal" where you are?  Does your chart accurately reflect your personal observations?

[SirFrancis]

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=temperature+iceland

looking at this data, temperature in center of Iceland in last 70 years declined about -0.0091 deg C/y+-0.0125 deg C/y (-110 yr/deg C)


Regards
SF

edit:
here the same in Fahrenheit:

[Angus]

Angus...  Now you're just being disingenuous.  You have been going on about how crops are growing in your area that haven't grown there before.  You've said over and over that your glaciers are melting.  You stated again and again that your region is noticeably warmer.  Now you are going to blindly concur with an obviously skewed chart with this "solar minimum" silliness....

Now... Once and for all...  Is it warmer or colder than what is historically "normal" where you are?  Does your chart accurately reflect your personal observations?

Simple.
Warmer. About the same as last winter. Go back to the times quoted in the chart (1970 onward), and the winters were much tougher. The summers may have been similar, but it does make a difference WHEN exactly the winter gives away. Which means a longer growing season. It's been growing longer over the years, so in my career as a "driller", - a person who is seeding crops ASAP in the spring, the difference of my 21 years in that field is simply staggering. And pushing in records in the low end of the solar cycle (silliness????...the solar output is swinging steadily on a 11 years cycle or so)...means what? Oh, my business end becomes better due to warmer years.
NE stiff wind now, which should be freezing. Temperature 0 deg Celcius.

[sluggish]

Simple.
Warmer. About the same as last winter. Go back to the times quoted in the chart (1970 onward), and the winters were much tougher. The summers may have been similar, but it does make a difference WHEN exactly the winter gives away. Which means a longer growing season. It's been growing longer over the years, so in my career as a "driller", - a person who is seeding crops ASAP in the spring, the difference of my 21 years in that field is simply staggering. And pushing in records in the low end of the solar cycle (silliness????...the solar output is swinging steadily on a 11 years cycle or so)...means what? Oh, my business end becomes better due to warmer years.
NE stiff wind now, which should be freezing. Temperature 0 deg Celcius.

Why is this like pulling teeth?

Does the graph or does the graph not accurately represent your personal experience with your local climate?

[Kev367th]

Kev:
"Cap and Trade, Carbon trading et all will do nothing for the climate, what is will do is make a small minority a great deal of money."
Exactly what I am afraid of. Not to mention the focus point of environmental issues going into just THAT.

As for this:
"Temperature station siting is laughable, the majority not meeting standards."

- Firstly it does not explain changes in those exact spots, since many of them have been in the same place for a very long time.
- Secondly, these numbers are now being looked into alongside the sattellite data, which is a very interesting field indeed.

No it doesn't I agree.
Then again when all these institutions can take a rural flat or declining temp record, homogenize it and turn it into a convenient warming trend......

Whats annoying is the revisionist hindsight they come out with.
EVERY climate model forecast rapidly declining snowfall, yet now these people are saying increased snowfall is totally in line with their predictions!

Weather is not climate unless it's in relation to climate change. In which case they claim hot, cold, drought, snow, rain, floods etc are ALL due to climate change. Covered all the bases haven't they?