Dueling vs MA fighting

[awrabbit]

Aw heck fellers. cant I just sit back and watch this one?

[JunkyII]

xD let's face it, most time when you say oh chit, you're no longer controlling the fight. You just gotta roll with whatever situation you got put into.

There is always something you can do to get out of any situation that isnt a gang bang. Even if someone has a shot op, you can roll your aircraft to scrub or throw off your opponents shot. Most of the real good sticks like to give you a shot to set up there own, they put themself in a bad spot and time it just right.

[WMLute]

So how did it all turn out?

TC?

Thor?

[thorsim]

well bout as you would expect ...

i got close in about 1/4 to 1/3 of the fights but the plane handling ability and lack of dueling and AH experience showed and i did not win any ...

i will leave the evaluation of my knowlege of ACM to TC ...

[TequilaChaser]

I thought we was doing a comparison of ability between AH & WB's?  

it turned out that thorsim has not been playing Aces high for a lengthy amount of time to have the flying characteristics of the plane he chose "FW190A5" down to a comfortable level......

thorsim flys more like a Hunter so to speak...... using his speed and alt to make slashing attacks...... he faired well for his experience level in Aces High........ he knows what is going on in a basic sense..but thorsim is not up on dueling........ he actually improved as our fights went on, so that tells me he is a quick learner.......he just needs to put the time in, like everyone else.......

I expect it to be different when we go do our comparison test over in WB....

thats about it.........

[thorsim]

agree on all counts ...

however it was not my intention to propose a game comparison,
i just think i could better express my abilities in a game in which i have more experience.

[TequilaChaser]

agree on all counts ...

however it was not my intention to propose a comparison i just think i could better express my abilities in a game in which i have more experience.

yes, thorsim, maybe comparison isn't the right word....... but that is what I meant by it..... 

[thorsim]

yes, thorsim, maybe comparison isn't the right word....... but that is what I meant by it..... 

cc TC thanks it was fun, and i appreciate your approach to all this type of stuff, you serve as an example sir ...

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t

[WMLute]

define "close"

[killnu]

almost?

[BnZs]

I believe the original thing a great number of us to exception to was the idea that there is something "wrong" with the AHII flight model because a good pilot can often use an aircraft that is inferior in performance specifics to beat one that has most of the performance advantages as a fighter. A good fighter pilot can manage the geometry and energy of the fight so that disadvantages are nullified or minimized...but admittedly, this stuff is not very intuitive and takes considerable study and practice to "grok".

so we've established that the average pilot in AH is nothing to be afraid of ...

what you fail to get lute is that if you let a pilot in a plane that cannot do anything required for air to air combat 1/2 as well as your plane than you messed up ...

if the game is such than a player can get around that reality by being a better player than it has big problems.

i know people out there can shoot 100% free throws playing as Shaq in NBA Live Whatever,
however that VIDEO GAME therefore can not be called a SIM.  can it?

[thorsim]

well sir i stand by that statement in general and was not pointing out AH as flawed in that regard ...

you do know what "if" means don't you ...

once again you are stretching my point to argue with it and if you do not try and do that then you would see
that i am arguing the opposite ...

FYI TC and i did not test the different a/c theory in the extreme that i am suspect of ...

for the record to make it perfectly clear i do not think either AH or WB are flawed to that degree in that way ...

+S+

t

I believe the original thing a great number of us to exception to was the idea that there is something "wrong" with the AHII flight model because a good pilot can often use an aircraft that is inferior in performance specifics to beat one that has most of the performance advantages as a fighter. A good fighter pilot can manage the geometry and energy of the fight so that disadvantages are nullified or minimized...but admittedly, this stuff is not very intuitive and takes considerable study and practice to "grok".

[Bronk]

he knows what is going on in a basic sense..but thorsim is not up on dueling........ he actually improved as our fights went on, so that tells me he is a quick learner.......he just needs to put the time in, like everyone else.......

That's what I was stating in my previous posts.  Dueling with any of those I previously stated is going to make him better. So we can put this to rest dueling is going to make you a better MA player.

[thorsim]

That's what I was stating in my previous posts.  Dueling with any of those I previously stated is going to make him better. So we can put this to rest dueling is going to make you a better MA player.

i have no doubt and never meant to give the impression that dueling would not help you in skills that would help you in the other game situations ...

i just think there are other aspects that come into play and those have a lot to do with success in the game and that concentrating on those will lead to more success quicker in the arenas ...

i have never been the best gunner or plane handler in any game, however i have found that other aspects draw me to types of play that emphasize other skills more than the dueling skills.

what i took exception with is the "this type of play is better" attitude and the tendency to disregard and disrespect others with different backgrounds and points of view on the games.  

  

[BnZs]

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i have never been the best gunner or plane handler in any game, however i have found that other aspects draw me to types of play that emphasize other skills more than the dueling skills.

Never been the best gunner myself. But dueling helps with your gunnery because you'll be taking lots of wierd angle shots on the scissors, trying to pull lead while near the ragged edge, etc. Though not as much as dedicated TA session where one person takes up a maneuverable aircraft and acts as a "target tug" for you.

Now, I ~mostly fly boom and zoom style planes myself. D9, A-5, P-47, P-51. Well, I've flown the I-16 alot this tour for no good reason at all, but that's unusual... Good to keep these planes fast and hit and run in a furball, BUT, like I say, actually using one of these planes to beat a more maneuverable ride 1v1 with E tactics is generally going to involve handling them at uncomfortably slow speeds to take your shot on the (hopefully) near-stalling t'n'b plane you've bled of E.