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Offline ra

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« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2001, 05:10:00 PM »
Our 190A8 is probably a -U3, which is the fighter-bomber designation.  

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« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2001, 05:29:00 PM »
No one seems to be mentioning the fact that the mk 108 and mk 103 had very different performances, the mk103 being the better for balistics and effective range.

quoted from'The Luftwaffe fighter force:the view from the cockpit' Adolf Galland et al.Edited by David Isby.ISBN 1-85367-327-7:

'mg 17 7.9mm 200 meters effective range.
mg 131 13mm 400 meters.
mg 151 15mm 600 meters.
mg 151/20 20mm 400 meters.
mgff 20mm  400 meters.
MK 103 3cm 800 meters.
MK 108 3cm 400 meters.
BK 5cm 800 meters.'


it goes on to list the various set ups sometimes mentioning whether they were used or not...

'F.W.190. Fitting of 4 x Mg 151 under wing armement, in two containers with about 50 rounds per gun.
disadvantages: Loss of 50km/h in speed, and otherwise same as on the me109.Manufactured as complete units and not much used because of American air superiority.Was used by J.G.1.'


this next one answers urchins request:

'F.W.190 2x MK103 underwing armament with about 40 rounds each, in addition to 2x MG 151 and 2x MG 17.Tested in a few models.
Advantages:High muzzle velocity, great range, and good fire effect.
Disadvantages: Speed loss of 60Km/h, aircraft not stable while firing, lowering of ceiling and reduction of manouvrability.The aircraft was overloaded with this armament.'


ok hope this helps.As you can see he mentions their use but also their heavy drawbacks.I still would like to see thes weapons but i want all to realise they will not or at least should not be easy to use.

OH   :) and one other thing ............

'Me.262. With BK5.'

  :D

[ 10-31-2001: Message edited by: hazed- ]

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« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2001, 05:50:00 PM »
Hi Hazed,

Good info, thanks! :-)

Let me add that the Luftwaffe actually considered the MK108 to be better than the MK103 for the anti-bomber role. The MK108  was more effective, not per barrel but in relation to its weight. A fighter could carry more MK108 cannon than MK103s, and the greater number of shells more than compensated for the weapons lower accuracy.

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Henning (HoHun)

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« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2001, 02:00:00 AM »
My understanding is that the MK 103 installation was seen as an anti-tank weapon rather than for air to air.  The Hartkern projectiles were very effective at punching holes through armour (not unlike the current GAU-8/A in the A-10).

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« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2001, 11:58:00 AM »
A little something I found in one of my books:
[...]"Personnel of II./SG 1, II./SG 2, II. and III./SG 3, II./SG4 I./SG 10 as well as SG 151 were intensively trained up to december 11 1944 and 82 aircraft were converted to carry the improved "Panzerblitz 2" [...] "In the time between January 21 to March 16, 1945 the weapons were deployed on a total of 16 days. In 25 sorties conducted during that time, a total of 115 Fw 190 fired exactly 934 "panzerblitz" rockets. The pilots reported 23 enemy tanks as destroyed, another eleven were rendered immobile." [...] "At the end of the month [March, 1945] there were "Panzerblitz" equipped Fw 190's at 1. and 3.(Pz)/SG 9, 9./SG 77 and at three additional squadrons within Luftflotte 6's sector. The number of combat-ready units climbed to 12 by April 20, 1945." [...][/b]

Source: "German Anti-Tank Aircraft" by Manfred Griehl & Joachim Dressel

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« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2001, 01:02:00 PM »
snefens you rock,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »
Good stuff Snefens.

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« Reply #37 on: July 01, 2002, 02:00:17 PM »
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« Reply #38 on: July 01, 2002, 02:17:33 PM »
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« Reply #39 on: July 01, 2002, 09:46:06 PM »
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