P-47 vs. F6F

[Lusche]

On the hijack topic; acording to the AH provided 'plane vs plane' compariosn: the pony-D out climbs the f6f except on the deck to about 400 feet (WEP & no WEP) & a little bubble from 15k-16k (without WEP)

I have tested time to climb to 10k in both planes. 50% Fuel, WEP, FB 2.0. Time was measured from retracting gear to arrival at 10k.
Both planes had almost identical results, Pony took 3:09 and the F6F had only 2 seconds difference. Even changing F6F fuel to 75% to give them both about the same flight time didn't really change that. By looking at the charts, I would not had expected that result.

[321BAR]

I have tested time to climb to 10k in both planes. 50% Fuel, WEP, FB 2.0. Time was measured from retracting gear to arrival at 10k.
Both planes had almost identical results, Pony took 3:09 and the F6F had only 2 seconds difference. Even changing F6F fuel to 75% to give them both about the same flight time didn't really change that. By looking at the charts, I would not had expected that result.

me neither seeing as how i was out flown by an F6F in a P51D... maybe it was due to the variables in my dogfight.

[Ack-Ack]

the question here is which one is more survivable?

personally i think its the F6F because ive hit one w/ a 30mm round right behind the cockpit and it survived

Out of the US planes, I find both the Hellcat and Jug to be ridiculously easy to bring down with a single burst from a P-38.  I guess though it depends on where you aim and hit and for wing mounted gunned planes, convergence.  At least with me, I aim at the wing root area and the majority of the time, if the wing isn't removed, I've set it on fire on my first burst. 

The Wildcats are another story...those bastards can soak up the rounds like a sponge without seemingly taking much damage.


ack-ack

[smoe]

Kinda depends on the E state of both planes. The F6F can turn, but does have a major level speed disadvantage when breaking off the fight.

[uptown]

The F6F does have a metal plate behind the cockpit I believe, but still I don't think that would stop a 30mm round from coming on through. I have seen posts lately about the 30mm not being quite right. But I don't know, pretty much everything I fly are strickly .50 cal birds. Hitting a F6F in the wing root is the best bet there I think.

[Wildcat1]

Out of the US planes, I find both the Hellcat and Jug to be ridiculously easy to bring down with a single burst from a P-38.  I guess though it depends on where you aim and hit and for wing mounted gunned planes, convergence.  At least with me, I aim at the wing root area and the majority of the time, if the wing isn't removed, I've set it on fire on my first burst.  

The Wildcats are another story...those bastards can soak up the rounds like a sponge without seemingly taking much damage.


ack-ack

ive done the exact same thing in the exact same plane. so why then, can an F6F survive a burst from 2x 30mm and 2x 20mm cannons but cant survive 4x .50's and a 20mm? its just because the P-38 is that good

and about the wildcats, i fly the FM2 alot while upping from a cv, and that plane (or atleast the wing) can only take about 3 20mm rounds before im going down 

[ACE]

Jugs have to be tougher but F6F will hold its own.

[theNewB]

Well from my point of view i would have to go with F6F. Taken many rounds where if i was a jug, theres no going home, not to mention the many times ive poured rounds into a F6F only to see it continue to fight or RTB but the p47 is really close behind it. But i take a f6 more then i do a jug, due to manuverability and im a sucker for a bird-cage canopy.

[bj229r]

Wide range of performance in the various jugs, and F6 has crap for 6 view

[TOMCAT21]

f6f had self sealing fuel tanks, armor for pilot and it did absorb 20mm and 7.7 mm Mg from the Japanese planes pretty well. I am just wondering have they changed anything regarding performance of the f6f ? Also, wouldn't depend on which version of P47 ? Would not the M or N out climb the F6F ?

[321BAR]

f6f had self sealing fuel tanks, armor for pilot and it did absorb 20mm and 7.7 mm Mg from the Japanese planes pretty well. I am just wondering have they changed anything regarding performance of the f6f ? Also, wouldn't depend on which version of P47 ? Would not the M or N out climb the F6F ?

wepped up the M would out climb the F6F no matter the alt, N would outclimb the F6F from 15,200 ish and up. Both jugs would be eaten alive by the F6F if only on military power. Both jugs would outrun the F6F even on military alone...

Reading these charts can come in handy... I know alot of people would expect a P51D would outfly these jugs... reading the comparison charts i found that the P51D has very few altitudes that a pony will outfly the M model and at 15-20k the N is an even match... The 51D vs P47Ms is like Green Hulk vs Red Hulk (both are big and angry but are even fighters) and the 47D models are actually almost even in climbing versus the 47N. The M overall the other jugs fighterwise is a beast and a half though.

But i digress   any P47 vs F6F the fight would be good. even a D11 will outrun an F6F any alt and will outclimb it at around 17.5k. The F6F was never meant to fight this plane. Both have good armor, the placement of ammo rounds on them is the key really to killing them... I've de-winged F6Fs as easily as i have P47s with .50cal 20mm 30mm. Just aim right.

[TOMCAT21]

thank ya much

[dirt911]

The F6F-5 and the P-47 in Comparison are a very alike plane.Considering the Hellcat was designed for 2 Role's, Fighting the Japanese Planes in the  Pacific and delivering bombs to a target.The 47 is very similar in that sense when flown right it will have a devastating effect,it also was designed to do exactly what the F6F-5 does only the 47 saw action on both fronts.

[morfiend]

The F6F-5 and the P-47 in Comparison are a very alike plane.Considering the Hellcat was designed for 2 Role's, Fighting the Japanese Planes in the  Pacific and delivering bombs to a target.The 47 is very similar in that sense when flown right it will have a devastating effect,it also was designed to do exactly what the F6F-5 does only the 47 saw action on both fronts.

 So did the F6F the brits had a few.....     

[dirt911]

 So did the F6F the brits had a few.....     

Oh yeah i seem to remeber the FAA and RAF using them accross the channel.Although im guessing they were all stationed on cv's.