Putin Says we are better than you

[Sperky]

Analysis:  We cut corners on safety, quality, and reliability in order to build more of them than the West, in a shorter period of time.  "Upgrades" will be released as soon as the design specs of Western upgrades can be obtained,  reverse engineered and retro-fitted into the airframe.  

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[MORAY37]

We were in a similar situation in the late 70s. It all turned around in the 80s. There is hope.

Not so much.

National Debt 1970=  $370,918,706,949.93   (GDP of $1,038,500,000,000.00) or .40 of GDP

National Debt 2007=  $9,007,653,372,262.48 (GDP of $13,807,500,000,000.00) or .70 of GDP

You cannot expect this to continue and have a bright future or strong military.

[Lepape2]

Because they obviously think they can win an arms race this time, with this country already mired in horrific national debt. 

Huh, which country are you talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt

[Yossarian]

See Rule #4

[Motherland]

See Rule #4

[Yossarian]

wut

Half of the discussion here seems based around the idea that the PAKFA was copied from the F-22.  Even the thread title shows it: "Putin says we are better than you" - he actually said that Russian planes are better.  Big difference.  Additionally, people seem to be instinctively assuming that the F-22 is better...anyone actually got any evidence for this?

[Motherland]

Half of the discussion here seems based around the idea that the PAKFA was copied from the F-22.  Even the thread title shows it: "Putin says we are better than you" - he actually said that Russian planes are better.  Big difference.  Additionally, people seem to be instinctively assuming that the F-22 is better...anyone actually got any evidence for this?

That's racism? Really?

[KgB]

That's racism? Really?

No it's not, its nazzionalism.

[fudgums]

See Rule #4

[Spikes]

It looks nearly the same?

[MachFly]

It looks nearly the same?

Remember F-86 and Mig-15

Half of the discussion here seems based around the idea that the PAKFA was copied from the F-22.  Even the thread title shows it: "Putin says we are better than you" - he actually said that Russian planes are better.  Big difference.  Additionally, people seem to be instinctively assuming that the F-22 is better...anyone actually got any evidence for this?

I think the only real way to find out would be to make a real life (training) engagement, but even that would depend on the pilot so there would have to be a lot more than one. Unless there is a huge difference on paper.

[Jebus]

Half of the discussion here seems based around the idea that the PAKFA was copied from the F-22.  Even the thread title shows it: "Putin says we are better than you" - he actually said that Russian planes are better.  Big difference.  Additionally, people seem to be instinctively assuming that the F-22 is better...anyone actually got any evidence for this?

This is why I do not not post on this forum anymore.  People like this, who can't have a light discussion on a topic.  They either have to throw its racist  in there or some radical idea.  Why not some go old fashion American Patriotism that is all I was going at here.  But you had to bring up the R word.  Way to go just like everyone else in the world your feelings were hurt because we were just trying to have some American Pride.  But I guess that isn't allowed in this world anymore. 

I never have been banned or mod in the forum before, but you really crossed the line by calling me a racist!

[DmonSlyr]

ok well our pilots have about 10 more years of experience in the f22 than these russian pilots do. plus only our government and AF pilots know everything the f22 is capable of therefore putin is only speculating that his plane is better, when actually he has a very litte idea of what the f22 can do in combat. Putin just wants the russians to look strong right now. he would be retarded to start anything with the US. If he sells them to any other country they would be even more retarded to start anything with the US.

[Yossarian]

I have to admit I did sort of post that without actually reading the topic - what I said was based on past observations, not this particular one.  Anyway, I guess I've sort of dug myself into a hole here - I'll just sit back and watch the (deserved) flames.

Also, Jebus - that wasn't aimed at you in particular, it's just that I was looking for something to back myself up with, and that's the closest thing I could find.  In retrospect 'racism' was definitely the wrong word anyway.

[33Vortex]

"Pride, the never-failing vice of fools." - Alexander Pope


Think the USA can turn this around?

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

As long as US politicians play by rules written by bankers, it will never happen. End the fed and take control of your currency, and you will win not only all your freedoms back but your future as well. The monetary issue is what everything boils down to.