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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #165 on: July 07, 2010, 03:40:50 AM »



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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #166 on: July 07, 2010, 11:23:13 AM »
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AHAHAA Russia's attempt to copy the P-51 's Performance :lol But very nearly got it as well.

Well i call it a copy as from some angle's and a distance it would look similar to the P-51 :)
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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #167 on: July 07, 2010, 12:05:30 PM »
AHAHAA Russia's attempt to copy the P-51 's Performance :lol But very nearly got it as well.

Well i call it a copy as from some angle's and a distance it would look similar to the P-51 :)
Except that the aircraft has a completely 100% different design philosophy altogether...

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« Reply #168 on: July 07, 2010, 12:09:02 PM »
Except that the aircraft has a completely 100% different design philosophy altogether...

and was a linear evolution of the Yak-1 which had it's maiden flight in 1940...




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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #169 on: July 07, 2010, 12:24:31 PM »
AHAHAA Russia's attempt to copy the P-51 's Performance :lol But very nearly got it as well.

Well i call it a copy as from some angle's and a distance it would look similar to the P-51 :)

The Yak-3 can trace it's origins to the I-30, not the P-51D and you can look at the design and see that the Mustang didn't have any influence over it.  Also, according to Marcel Albert, France's top scoring ace that flew the Yak-3 with the Normandie-Niemen squadron on the Eastern Front, the Yak-3 was superior to both the Mustang and Spitfire.

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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #170 on: July 07, 2010, 01:39:05 PM »
The Yak-3 can trace it's origins to the I-30, not the P-51D and you can look at the design and see that the Mustang didn't have any influence over it.  Also, according to Marcel Albert, France's top scoring ace that flew the Yak-3 with the Normandie-Niemen squadron on the Eastern Front, the Yak-3 was superior to both the Mustang and Spitfire.

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HUH yeh a bit of Sarcastic humour :) remember Russia was always a shade behind in aircraft but America did give them the Specification's to the P-51 so that they could also build a better fighter. :)
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« Reply #171 on: July 07, 2010, 06:02:39 PM »
HUH yeh a bit of Sarcastic humour :) remember Russia was always a shade behind in aircraft but America did give them the Specification's to the P-51 so that they could also build a better fighter. :)
Not really, no.  Russia's designers were just as capable as anybody other nation's.  They had to factor in a few things that American, British and German designers didn't.  1) They had less power to work with, so keeping an aircraft as light as possible was paramount.  The Japanese had that problem too, but were further hampered by the need to fly long distances. 2) Keep use of strategic materials to a minimum, which couples nicely with point 1.  3) A less advanced manufacturing base required greater simplicity in construction. 4) The need to operate in comparatively crude conditions was a required design consideration.  They did not have to worry overmuch about making their aircraft extremely long ranged to penetrate deep into enemy territory.
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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #172 on: July 07, 2010, 10:37:04 PM »
HUH yeh a bit of Sarcastic humour :) remember Russia was always a shade behind in aircraft but America did give them the Specification's to the P-51 so that they could also build a better fighter. :)


The USA didn't just send the specifications they sent the whole planes. Nearly 400 through lend/lease. P51's B/C/& D. Russia wouldn't send them to the front lines because they thought they were inferior to their own designs. They did seem to like the P39 for some reason though.  <shrug>
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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #173 on: July 07, 2010, 10:49:41 PM »

The USA didn't just send the specifications they sent the whole planes. Nearly 400 through lend/lease. P51's B/C/& D. Russia wouldn't send them to the front lines because they thought they were inferior to their own designs. They did seem to like the P39 for some reason though.  <shrug>

Where did you find that info?  I've never seen that anywhere.  I do believe they got a P51A for evaluation, and some 51s that were disabled during the Russian shuttle runs were left behind, but I don't recall ever seeing anything saying we gave the Russians 51s in lend lease.
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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #174 on: July 08, 2010, 12:49:59 AM »
    Lend-lease aircraft in Russia / Carl-Fredrik Geust, Gennadiy Petrov.


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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #175 on: July 08, 2010, 03:03:20 AM »
    Lend-lease aircraft in Russia / Carl-Fredrik Geust, Gennadiy Petrov.


Not sure of the number though

Guppy's right but I had read somewhere they were ex-RAF Mustang I's they got through the Lend-Lease for evaluations.  They later got some B/C and D models that had been abandoned during the shuttle missions but those I don't think ever saw any front line service.

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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #176 on: July 08, 2010, 04:16:33 AM »
waiting for the yak 3, using the yak 9 as a stop gap.

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« Reply #177 on: July 08, 2010, 02:44:52 PM »
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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #178 on: July 08, 2010, 02:54:52 PM »
Id say along with the Yak 3, we need a Yak -1b and a La-5 (or Lag-5) however you want to call it
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Re: The next plane to be introduced/updated and shown on the front page...
« Reply #179 on: July 08, 2010, 04:08:44 PM »
Id say along with the Yak 3, we need a Yak -1b and a La-5 (or Lag-5) however you want to call it

we have a La-5 its called the La-5fn
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