Angela Merkel

[CAP1]

CAP1....

The analogy that comes to mind about this whole 'illegal alien' fiasco is that of a ship that has gone down in sight of land. The water is full of survivors swimming for the life boats. Their are dozens of lifeboats...

All of the 'victims' are swimming for a single life boat...because it has limited luxury amenities such as running water, food, sanitation and cold beer..

Everybody knows what is going to happen...but they ignore the certain fate and destruction...

There is only so much room in this lifeboat, and she is in danger of capsizing. Resources grow scarce and competition for them increases daily...

I am not into it at all...

These folks are more than welcome to join our boat...as long as they fill out the paper work and sign a contract to assimilate; learn our laws, culture, language and heritage...and promise to become American...

The rest can pound sand...

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Oneway

bolded.......that sir is the point i keep trying to make.

[CAP1]

Was not talking about e legal aliens.  As I said, I am a few pages late.  I was referring to the earlier comments about the little slut that had 5 kids.  It would have been perfectly fine if daddy had a mill in the bank no? no sir, it would not be ok. she was/is? only 15 years old. no matter the amount of money, she and the person that impregnated her are in no way shape or form capable of caring properly for those kids. the fact that they cannot afford to care for them in this situation is just another nail in the coffin. when it comes down to it, the dude(s) raped her....at least according to law.

As for the elegal aliens, the difference between a legal and an elegal is about 800 - 2000$ in fees.  Status does not transform the person.  Some are great some are garbage.  I dont see how you can put all of the in one bucket and claim that the legals are good and the elegals are bad.   As for the jobs they take, yeah, there is huge line of blond kids with blue eyes waiting to become fry cooks and busboys 

i'm not claiming legals are automatically good. but by coming here legally, they are given,,,,or rather they earn a chance to prove themselves.

[oneway]

i'm not claiming legals are automatically good. but by coming here legally, they are given,,,,or rather they earn a chance to prove themselves.

Hat tip Cap...

Whenever I meet an individual who got here the proper and legal way...I bend over backwards to thank them...respect them...and congratulate them...and if I have an opportunity for them...they move to the front of the line...

The 'legal' immigrants to this nation are a treasure to be coveted...for they have assigned to themselves the requisite burdens of our society and nation...a Nation of laws, procedures and process...

Legal immigrants are a national treasure...and if you have ever seen a 'swearing' in ceremony you will never forget it...they are often more 'American' than Americans...

God bless them and welcome aboard...

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[dedalos]

Hat tip Cap...

Whenever I meet an individual who got here the proper and legal way...I bend over backwards to thank them...respect them...and congratulate them...and if I have an opportunity for them...they move to the front of the line...

The 'legal' immigrants to this nation are a treasure to be coveted...for they have assigned to themselves the requisite burdens of our society and nation...a Nation of laws, procedures and process...

Legal immigrants are a national treasure...and if you have ever seen a 'swearing' in ceremony you will never forget it...they are often more 'American' than Americans...

God bless them and welcome aboard...

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Would you like to explain to me how would you come here legally if you are from, ohhhhh, lets say Mexico.  Assuming you have no relatives here.  Why is it that if you are from Ireland you can come here no problem?  I am sure given a choice they would be legal, but do they have that choice?  Please explain how one can come here legally if he was unfortunate enough to be born in one of the countries the US only accepts elegals from.  I say accepts because if we really did not want them here, they would not be here.

[CAP1]

Hat tip Cap...

Whenever I meet an individual who got here the proper and legal way...I bend over backwards to thank them...respect them...and congratulate them...and if I have an opportunity for them...they move to the front of the line...

The 'legal' immigrants to this nation are a treasure to be coveted...for they have assigned to themselves the requisite burdens of our society and nation...a Nation of laws, procedures and process...

Legal immigrants are a national treasure...and if you have ever seen a 'swearing' in ceremony you will never forget it...they are often more 'American' than Americans...

God bless them and welcome aboard...

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Oneway

very well said.

one other thing would be that somewhere along the line, we ALL came from another country.

 me? german and english. i could barley understand my great grandmother, but she was one of the sweetest people in the world. 

[CAP1]

Would you like to explain to me how would you come here legally if you are from, ohhhhh, lets say Mexico.  Assuming you have no relatives here.  Why is it that if you are from Ireland you can come here no problem?  I am sure given a choice they would be legal, but do they have that choice?  Please explain how one can come here legally if he was unfortunate enough to be born in one of the countries the US only accepts elegals from.  I say accepts because if we really did not want them here, they would not be here.

is there a ban on immigrating from mexico? i ask this in all seriousness.

also, i wasn't talking just mexicans,....i was talking any illegal immigrant, regardless of from whenst they came.

[oneway]

Would you like to explain to me how would you come here legally if you are from, ohhhhh, lets say Mexico.  Assuming you have no relatives here.  Why is it that if you are from Ireland you can come here no problem?  I am sure given a choice they would be legal, but do they have that choice?  Please explain how one can come here legally if he was unfortunate enough to be born in one of the countries the US only accepts elegals from.  I say accepts because if we really did not want them here, they would not be here.

Utter rubbish...

I would go as far as to say that if we didn't have hundreds of thousands of illegals flowing across the southern border unimpeded, and the citizens of Mexico decided collectively to obey the rule of law they would find themselves in line along side of their Irish contemporaries...and I do not believe for a moment their is a bias against Mexican or Latino immigrants who follow the law because the majority of their brothers decide to swim across a river...

If your premise (that Mexican citizens are Carte Blanc denied due process because they are "Mexican")  is indeed valid, I will argue that the massive illegal inflow is to blame...not machinations of the system or the people who implement it.

It sounds to me...if your point is valid (I don't believe it is)...that illegals are to blame for denying the 'legal' immigrants from Mexico a fair shake...so what say you about that?

You can't have it both ways...you cannot excuse illegal immigration and the response to and thereof as congruent...or exculpatory to one another...

We have laws and you follow them....

Their is NO Valid argument to support the notion of an open border...despite what you may wish politically...

Nothing to see here...

Move along

 

[dedalos]

Utter rubbish...

I would go as far as to say that if we didn't have hundreds of thousands of illegals flowing across the southern border unimpeded, and the citizens of Mexico decided collectively to obey the rule of law they would find themselves in line along side of their Irish contemporaries...and I do not believe for a moment their is a bias against Mexican or Latino immigrants who follow the law because the majority of their brothers decide to swim across a river...

If your premise (that Mexican citizens are Carte Blanc denied due process because they are "Mexican")  is indeed valid, I will argue that the massive illegal inflow is to blame...not machinations of the system or the people who implement it.

It sounds to me...if your point is valid (I don't believe it is)...that illegals are to blame for denying the 'legal' immigrants from Mexico a fair shake...

Their is NO Valid argument to support the notion of an open border...despite what you may wish politically...

Nothing to see here...

Move along

 

Not capable of having a conversation unless we agree with your ignorance.   

[dedalos]

is there a ban on immigrating from mexico? i ask this in all seriousness.

also, i wasn't talking just mexicans,....i was talking any illegal immigrant, regardless of from whenst they came.

I have not looked into it in a very long time, but when I did, the US policy on immigrants was based on how many people of a specific country are here already.  So, not a ban on mexico but the US felt that there were plenty of Mexicans here.  The Iralnd example came from my friend.  She got a green card and moved here.  When I asked how, she said she just applied for it.  The US back then was giving x number of green cards per year to Irish but 0 to others.  I think if you were from Denmark you got in automatically no questions asked because there are not enough Danish people here.

Not sure how it works now.  It sounds like you guys think you can just apply for a green card and the US gives you one?  Far from the truth.  The borders are not open.  If you dont have relatives here (and that process can take up 10 or more years) or are not from one of the special countries, you are not getting in legally.  Do you honestly think that given a choice these guys would say no all the benefits that come with citizenship and come here to work for almost nothing without health care or pention?

[CAP1]

I have not looked into it in a very long time, but when I did, the US policy on immigrants was based on how many people of a specific country are here already.  So, not a ban on mexico but the US felt that there were plenty of Mexicans here.  The Iralnd example came from my friend.  She got a green card and moved here.  When I asked how, she said she just applied for it.  The US back then was giving x number of green cards per year to Irish but 0 to others.  I think if you were from Denmark you got in automatically no questions asked because there are not enough Danish people here.

Not sure how it works now.  It sounds like you guys think you can just apply for a green card and the US gives you one?  Far from the truth.  The borders are not open.  If you dont have relatives here (and that process can take up 10 or more years) or are not from one of the special countries, you are not getting in legally.  Do you honestly think that given a choice these guys would say no all the benefits that come with citizenship and come here to work for almost nothing without health care or pention?

well, i know for fact that my friend karin had one hell of a time moving here from germany. she had a job lined up before she came here and all. they were going to deport her, but her company got her a good lawyer, and she finally got through it.....but the point is, that she went through the process legally.

[oneway]

The quota's regarding immigration are not county specific but rather hemispheric specific...

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

An annual limitation of 300,000 visas was established for immigrants, including 170,000 from Eastern Hemisphere countries, with no more than 20,000 per country. By 1968, the annual limitation from the Western Hemisphere was set at 120,000 immigrants, with visas available on a first-come, first-served basis. However, the number of family reunification visas was unlimited. While as of 2010[update] there are no quotas for immigrant spouses of US citizens, quotas for other types of relatives of US citizens have since been instituted.

Educate yourself before flapping the gums...

We have hemispherical caps and country caps...

Up to and not exceeding 20,000 (Mexico)...not exceeding 120,000 (Western Hemisphere) will be considered/accepted....

There is not some Wizard of OZ guy behind the curtain denying Mexican or Latino citizens just because they are from Mexico or Latin America...

Our system follows a series of laws and procedures prescribed by and adopted by Congress and signed into Law by the President of the United States...

I am not sure what candy land you live in...but your vision is far from reality friend

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[dedalos]

well, i know for fact that my friend karin had one hell of a time moving here from germany. she had a job lined up before she came here and all. they were going to deport her, but her company got her a good lawyer, and she finally got through it.....but the point is, that she went through the process legally.

Yes, if your company is willing to get you the visa.  But she is going to have a hell of a time getting a different job.  BTW, Germany is one of the easier countries to get a working visa and she had the choice.  See?  Given the choice, she went through the legal venue.

I ll put it this way.  If I am hungry and my kids are hungry, and I know there is work and food across the border but I wont be allowed in legally, guess what.  I will cross elegaly and hope for the best.

You can not go through the legal venue if there isn't one available.

[dedalos]

The quota's regarding immigration are not county specific but rather hemispheric specific...

Educate yourself before flapping the gums...

We have hemispherical caps and country caps...

How you doing, friend    Don;t call me that please.  We just met 

[VonMessa]

I have not looked into it in a very long time, but when I did, the US policy on immigrants was based on how many people of a specific country are here already.  So, not a ban on mexico but the US felt that there were plenty of Mexicans here.  The Iralnd example came from my friend.  She got a green card and moved here.  When I asked how, she said she just applied for it.  The US back then was giving x number of green cards per year to Irish but 0 to others.  I think if you were from Denmark you got in automatically no questions asked because there are not enough Danish people here.

Not sure how it works now.  It sounds like you guys think you can just apply for a green card and the US gives you one?  Far from the truth.  The borders are not open.  If you dont have relatives here (and that process can take up 10 or more years) or are not from one of the special countries, you are not getting in legally.  Do you honestly think that given a choice these guys would say no all the benefits that come with citizenship and come here to work for almost nothing without health care or pention?

Speaking of Ireland...

I DARE you to try to get a job, or live there now if you are not a native or a direct descendant of one.

... and folks think our immigration laws are tough...

[dedalos]

Speaking of Ireland...

I DARE you to try to get a job, or live there now if you are not a native or a direct descendant of one.

... and folks think our immigration laws are tough...

I am not in Ireland.  Nor do I want to go there.  I am sure things are bad in Afghanistan also.  However, we are here.  I could care less about what other countries are doing.  I don;t even think I said anything about our laws being fair or not fair.  I'm just trying to explain why they come in illegally and that their illegal status does not make them bad people.  They are just trying to make a better life for themselves.  I also said that if we really did not want them here, they would not be here.  It is more convenient to allow "almost" slave labor by using illegals.  The reality is that we can stop them from coming in.  Not every single one of them, but the majority.  You have any idea what the cost of some things will go up to if we stopped them from coming in?

Then there is the BS about taking our jobs.  Really?  You know who is taking our jobs?  The legals    So, when you complain about that what you are really saying is that you don;t want any Mexican taking your job.  The jobs the illegals do, no one wants to do.  If you lost your job to an illegal alien, you need to take a good look at what you have accomplished in your life.

Yes, I know, we are not talking about Mexicans here.  After all this is not a racist country    We are just talking in general about the illegal aliens floating in from France and Germany