Nazi

[1pLUs44]

What comes around goes around. I find it good that 70 years later, he's put on trial and has to face the disgrace to his family and is reminded once again of the crimes he committed.

[zack1234]

Neville Chamberlain was a conservative.

 Tronsky

yes i know i am on about sitting on the fence. head in the sand do gooders who are liberal because they are rich and selfush.

worms and spice!

[jay]

my personal opinion

10 years or so after the war i would find it right to convict a nazi actually just right to convict a SS member (even though there were thosands of them) but 60 years after the fact?! plus the fact the most of them were gonna be shot if they didnt do what ever their commanding officer wanted

[Lusche]

plus the fact the most of them were gonna be shot if they didnt do what ever their commanding officer wanted

I wanted to stay out of this thread... but this ^^^^ is for most part a myth.

[FYB]

I wanted to stay out of this thread... but this ^^^^ is for most part a myth.

Really?

I doubt it. Prosecuting him now is absolutely ridiculous, let him be.

[jay]

I wanted to stay out of this thread... but this ^^^^ is for most part a myth.

ok so if you just said "hey im not gonna shoot them" what do you think they would do?

[Lusche]

ok so if you just said "hey im not gonna shoot them" what do you think they would do?

It's not about what i think that would have happened, but what really happened. There has been extensive historical research on that matter.

For example by the Central Office of the State Justice Administration for the Investigation of National Socialist Crimes, which conducted a lot of research on that topic since the 60's
They found no evidence that a "Exekutionsverweigerer" (someone who denied to execute) was actually shot himself. Of course some (not all!) were being reprimanded, by disciplinary transfers, degradations and so on, but no execution.

One of the most infamous units, the Reserve-Polizei-Battalion 101 was taking part in mass execution of Jews in Poland. A very few men refused to take part. They were simply sent back to Hamburg. (If you want to learn more about this: "Ordinary Men : Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, by Christopher Browning, New York 1992)

Another historical example was the case of three company leaders who had been ordered to execute the jewish population of their respective cantonment in White Russia:
- Oberleutnant Hermann Kuhls immediately obeyed.
- Hauptmann Friedrich Nöll asked for an additional written affirmation, after getting this, he followed this order.
- Oberleutnant Josef Sibille simply refused to shoot civillians. He was asked by his superiors if he will ever be tough, he answered never, and that was it. Nothing more happened.
(Documented by the second Wehrmachtsaustellung)

The "trick" was to create a cultural / psychological environment in which soldiers did not eve thought about stepping out of line. But this is a very big topic all of it's own

[Masherbrum]

Amen Lusche. 

[Motherland]

State Justice Administration for the Investigation of National Socialist Crimes

Not to trivialize the matter, but knowing German I imagine this is all one or two words? What is/are they/it, out of curiousity?

[Lusche]

Not to trivialize the matter, but knowing German I imagine this is all one or two words? What is/are they/it, out of curiousity?

The German title is "Zentrale Stelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen zur Aufklärung nationalsozialistischer Verbrechen"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Office_of_the_State_Justice_Administration_for_the_Investigation_of_National_Socialist_Crimes

[Penguin]

It's not about what i think that would have happened, but what really happened. There has been extensive historical research on that matter.

For example by the Central Office of the State Justice Administration for the Investigation of National Socialist Crimes, which conducted a lot of research on that topic since the 60's
They found no evidence that a "Exekutionsverweigerer" (someone who denied to execute) was actually shot himself. Of course some (not all!) were being reprimanded, by disciplinary transfers, degradations and so on, but no execution.

One of the most infamous units, the Reserve-Polizei-Battalion 101 was taking part in mass execution of Jews in Poland. A very few men refused to take part. They were simply sent back to Hamburg. (If you want to learn more about this: "Ordinary Men : Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, by Christopher Browning, New York 1992)

Another historical example was the case of three company leaders who had been ordered to execute the jewish population of their respective cantonment in White Russia:
- Oberleutnant Hermann Kuhls immediately obeyed.
- Hauptmann Friedrich Nöll asked for an additional written affirmation, after getting this, he followed this order.
- Oberleutnant Josef Sibille simply refused to shoot civillians. He was asked by his superiors if he will ever be tough, he answered never, and that was it. Nothing more happened.
(Documented by the second Wehrmachtsaustellung)

The "trick" was to create a cultural / psychological environment in which soldiers did not eve thought about stepping out of line. But this is a very big topic all of it's own

Sir, when I grow up, I wanna be smart like you.   

-Penguin

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[Motherland]

The German title is "Zentrale Stelle der Landesjustizverwaltungen zur Aufklärung nationalsozialistischer Verbrechen"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Office_of_the_State_Justice_Administration_for_the_Investigation_of_National_Socialist_Crimes

Ah, OK, I asked because I'd figured it would be one of those ridiculous compound words like Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz that seem to pop out of German legal stuff.
/hijack

[KgB]

It's not about what i think that would have happened, but what really happened. There has been extensive historical research on that matter.

For example by the Central Office of the State Justice Administration for the Investigation of National Socialist Crimes, which conducted a lot of research on that topic since the 60's
They found no evidence that a "Exekutionsverweigerer" (someone who denied to execute) was actually shot himself. Of course some (not all!) were being reprimanded, by disciplinary transfers, degradations and so on, but no execution.

One of the most infamous units, the Reserve-Polizei-Battalion 101 was taking part in mass execution of Jews in Poland. A very few men refused to take part. They were simply sent back to Hamburg. (If you want to learn more about this: "Ordinary Men : Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland, by Christopher Browning, New York 1992)

Another historical example was the case of three company leaders who had been ordered to execute the jewish population of their respective cantonment in White Russia:
- Oberleutnant Hermann Kuhls immediately obeyed.
- Hauptmann Friedrich Nöll asked for an additional written affirmation, after getting this, he followed this order.
- Oberleutnant Josef Sibille simply refused to shoot civillians. He was asked by his superiors if he will ever be tough, he answered never, and that was it. Nothing more happened.
(Documented by the second Wehrmachtsaustellung)

The "trick" was to create a cultural / psychological environment in which soldiers did not eve thought about stepping out of line. But this is a very big topic all of it's own

Not everyone knows what "white russia" is. Lets call it Belarussia:)

[Penguin]

Not everyone knows what "white russia" is. Lets call it Belarussia:)

I know that sad tale all too well 

-Penguin