Plane vs tank. No contest so don't do it.

[bj229r]

I've found hanging out above gv fights is a good way to rack up kills (on the endless A20s, jugs and lancs who try to bomb them)

[redcatcherb412]

I have shot down quite a few cons with the M2 pintle or the main gun, or like others have said, upped a wirb and wreaked havoc on the closely grouped low alt bombers.  Plus staying on the move watching the planes final approach in their bomb run you can sometimes avoid the hit.  Like others have said, bombing gv's was a WWII heavyweight.  I am sure Patton and Montgomery would have loved a bombing halt in North Africa by Rommels Stuka support.

[Urchin]

Having said that: HTC could seriously improve the overall tank/GV esperience if they wished, but doing so would require a complete overhaul of the ground aspect of the game.  I would welcome it completely.  I love simulated tank combat.

I have to add that the latest GV additions are beautful to look at, and the interiors of the GVs have come a long way.

I think that fleshing out the ground game would probably be the next logical step for the game to take.  At least if the goal is to create a simulated combined arms operation.  I think the playerbase of the game hasn't had 'air combat' as their primary focus for many years now, but the mechanics for 'making war' are sorta bellybutton backwards in this game.  In real life, the ground pounders ARE the focus - the other branches exist to support them.  In AH, the game is set up for the planes to be the focus, but the players want the focus to be on taking bases.  Planes can't occupy ground, so we get the awkward base taking mechanisms with the game focused around 'conquering' air bases. 

If there was some way to shift the focus of the game to conquering strat, with the air bases being linked to the strat I think that would make more sense for the way the game is played now.  Plus it would have the added benefit of moving the focus of the game from 'vulch or be vulched/horde or be horded' to a game where both sides are attacking or defending landmarks on the ground.  Seems like it would be a better fit to me anyway.

[GNucks]

When in bombers take a fighter escort.  When in a tank take an FLAK/M16 buddy.

I was going to say something along these lines. I'd also point someone to read my sig. If somebody isn't happy because they can't conduct a proper tank battle on the wide-open plains, perhaps they should bring an escort???? 

[Urchin]

The bombers run no risk of dying, that's what makes it unsportsman like, and hence  lame in a game, that is played for fun. It's not fun if the opponent doesn't have a chance.

<S>

Hate to break it to you bud, but for most people the game is fun only if the opponent doesn't have a chance.

[R 105]

Do what I do. Soon as you find a good GV fight like V88 to V85. Up a heavy fighter and kill the ords at A83 and GV in peace for 45 minutes. When ords come back up, pork them again. The trick is to find one other player willing to help keep ords down. The vast majority are unwilling to take the time to kill ords or troops or even grasp the importance or this simple act.

[Tyrannis]

Planes attacking tanks is the new vulching/milk running/wussie-scoring move.

Last tour I finally gave Tank-ing a chance and found it very fun indeed. Tank vs Tank is pressure pact and full of strategery. Then along comes the planes and it all goes in the crapper. For all you out there in planes killing tanks, don't you have any shame at how easy it is to fly over a drop a bomb on a defenseless tank? Talk about ducks in a barrel.

Of course the usual disclaimers apply. I'm not talking about tanks trying to take a base, and I'm talking about tanks camping a spawn. Those deserve a good bombing. But to fly out to the open spaces where tanks are trying to stalk each other and fight it out and drop bombs on a defenseless enemy who has invested his time in having a tank battle, makes you a jerk. 

This tour I'm 1-11 in GVs after 4 tries at gv-ing and several hours invested. 9 of those deaths were from planes, where I had no chance in hell of defending myself. All of which involved me trying to fight against a single or multiple enemy tanks.



vinkman, have i killed you while divebombing in my b17 or b25? ppl usually whine like this when i do.

and they share no risk of dying? have you ever tried to divebomb a flak? i'd say that shares alot of "risk"


ive allso had some gv'ers with great aim shoot the wing off my bomber from 2.0k, tiger made me look like an idiot by doing this after i made a bombing run on him.

Most complaints center around when conditions create unfair competitive situations in the MA. Vulching, picking, ENY, hording, Grizz, etc...are examples of lopsided situations that create whining.

At the top of that list I'm placing Plane vs Tank. Since I'm not a fan of rules changes to fix everything I'm taking the shaming approach. If you're one of the folks who pads your score with riskless/skilless tank bombing, then you should know that I think you suck.* 

Vinkman


*[check Vinkman's stat sheet for a list of those that do indeed, suck]
 

[Tyrannis]

and on a side note: i really need to learn how to do quotes properly 


where is says "vickman" down is my responce.

[mbailey]

Actually an epic tank battle in the DA sounds kinda fun  50 or so on a side and just slug it out.

Crud, now ya got me thinking 
 

 

[Vinkman]

and on a side note: i really need to learn how to do quotes properly 


where is says "vickman" down is my responce.

My complaint was about Tanks not all GVs. Wirbles can defend themselves against planes so no complaint in bombing one. <S>

[Vinkman]

I was going to say something along these lines. I'd also point someone to read my sig. If somebody isn't happy because they can't conduct a proper tank battle on the wide-open plains, perhaps they should bring an escort???? 

Oh an escort! I should have thought of that. Ok now let me see...where is the Escort button on the clipboard. Hmmmm I wonder if the 'formation' button changes to Escort when I pick a tank. Or maybe it's .command...


 

[ink]

i think i dropped bombs on one tank the intire time ive been in AH, after he vulched me on runway, i dropped like 20 eggs on him finily getting him lol now we know why i dont drop eggs......lol

[BaldEagl]

Stick a couple of Wirbs or Ostie in amongst the friendly tanks or get a couple of guys to provide air support.  Problem mostly solved.

I GV a lot and I'm trying to figure out where those places are on the map that the spawns don't lead to an enemy base.

[TOMCAT21]

someone needs a hug . I go after the Flaks first since they pose the immediate threat.

[DaCoon]

Look at some of the GV base taking missions that folks post. They bring tanks, supps,and troops. They also bring wirbs to protect it all from heavy a/c defenders. As far as "open area" GV fights, find a tree or other natural cover from being seen from overhead. Or ask a friend or squaddie to up a wirb, osti , or M-16 to cover you.

Still, sounds like same whines different day.