Another whine thread

[LCADolby]

I believe the F3 mode should be on bombers only, and the IL2 doesn't have a formation option or a decent bomb loadout. If the IL2 gets F3 mode then so should the Mossie and the 110, in all fairness. I'd rather see the F3 mode removed from the IL2 though, it gets an easy enough time as it is with its turning and mega cannons. It is after all the GVers nightmare.

[Guppy35]

LOL I think we better perk Ghi.

Who cares. He's fighting in an IL2 for heaven's sake.  If he gets your 262 with all it's advantages over an IL2, that's your problem, not Ghi's.

[lyric1]

LOL I think we better perk Ghi.

Who cares. He's fighting in an IL2 for heaven's sake.  If he gets your 262 with all it's advantages over an IL2, that's your problem, not Ghi's.

With that I would say thread should be locked because that pretty much sums it up. Well said.

[Dogtown]

perk ghi 

[uptown]

F3 mode is gamey pure and simple. I see no need for it in ANY arena, much less the main arenas. If you need to see the outside of your plane for training purposes we have the film viewer for that.

[Max]

Ghi + IL2 + F3 + VOOLCH = Fugi cartoon 

[newz]

All the other attack aircraft do not have F3 ability

Incorrect!
The following aircraft can be scored as either bomber or attack and they all have F3 ability......
A20
B25
B5N
D3A
Ju87
SBD
TBM

I'd rather see the F3 mode removed from the IL2

What about the list above? Shouldn't F3 mode be removed from these aircraft as well?

[Lusche]

To further clear up any confusion:

There are basically just two types of planes in AH: Fighters and Bombers. Some of them have an additional option to score as "attack", but for example all perks gained go to the planes original category.

And all bombers in AH do have external view,

[doc1kelley]

I believe the F3 mode should be on bombers only, and the IL2 doesn't have a formation option or a decent bomb loadout. If the IL2 gets F3 mode then so should the Mossie and the 110, in all fairness. I'd rather see the F3 mode removed from the IL2 though, it gets an easy enough time as it is with its turning and mega cannons. It is after all the GVers nightmare.

Formation option?  Are you smoking crack or something?  The B-25H is a bomber right?  Does it have a formation option?  The IL2 is slow and doesn't turn on a dime and doesn't have that big of an ammo loadout.  Man I hate to see what you would say about a Vader if we ever got one in here!  GHI is honorable and has mastered the IL-2 and he reminds me of a guy back in AirWarrior named "Pumar", a Scottish self proclaimed "Haggis Basher", who mastered the mosquito and used to taunt some of the good fighter sticks back in RR2ETO by killing them over and over with that thing.  I don't know about the F3 mode as I've never tried it but if the IL2 has it, I say it's a good trade off.

All the Best...

   Jay

[doc1kelley]

LOL I think we better perk Ghi.

Who cares. He's fighting in an IL2 for heaven's sake.  If he gets your 262 with all it's advantages over an IL2, that's your problem, not Ghi's.

You got that right Guppy

Perhaps GHI should be perked as we all know that he's a vampire who migrated to Canada from Transylvania.  He's deadly, he's cool, and he is a great friend!   That sounds like perk material if I ever heard of one.

All the Best...

   Jay

[Ack-Ack]

Formation option?  Are you smoking crack or something?  The B-25H is a bomber right?  Does it have a formation option?  The IL2 is slow and doesn't turn on a dime and doesn't have that big of an ammo loadout.  Man I hate to see what you would say about a Vader if we ever got one in here!  GHI is honorable and has mastered the IL-2 and he reminds me of a guy back in AirWarrior named "Pumar", a Scottish self proclaimed "Haggis Basher", who mastered the mosquito and used to taunt some of the good fighter sticks back in RR2ETO by killing them over and over with that thing.  I don't know about the F3 mode as I've never tried it but if the IL2 has it, I say it's a good trade off.

All the Best...

   Jay

are you sure it was the Mossie?  IIRC, the Mossie in AW was unarmed and could only lug bombs.

ack-ack

[Vinkman]

I really don't understand the logic behind defending F3 mode in any plane, especially the iL-2, based on the planes lack of capability. So we should embrace a handicap system that equips all planes with special powers to make them more competitive? Where should that list start and end?

Situational awareness, is one of the key parameters in the competitiveness of both plane and pilot in a flight sim. Eliminating that parameter with F3 mode is an abomination to any flight sim that prides itself on realism.

F3 mode during flight in the MA is, in my opinion, just in excuseable.

Vinkman 

[68ZooM]

I really don't understand the logic behind defending F3 mode in any plane, especially the iL-2, based on the planes lack of capability. So we should embrace a handicap system that equips all planes with special powers to make them more competitive? Where should that list start and end?

Situational awareness, is one of the key parameters in the competitiveness of both plane and pilot in a flight sim. Eliminating that parameter with F3 mode is an abomination to any flight sim that prides itself on realism.

F3 mode during flight in the MA is, in my opinion, just in excuseable.

Vinkman 

 i don't think people are defending it, it's been in the game ever sense i can remember, i use F3 when I'm flying a bomber, much better flying view than from the cockpit,  GHI just learned to use it with great skill , why penalize someone for getting good at a plane, who's next Grizz and his 262,  you say SA is one of the key parameters, in real life the bombers had voice comms from their Crew members and could call out enemy planes incoming, we don't have that in bombers only F3 to look around outside the plane, i use it for spotting incoming enemy then go to that gun postion, if it ain't broke don't fix it

[dedalos]

i don't think people are defending it, it's been in the game ever sense i can remember, i use F3 when I'm flying a bomber, much better flying view than from the cockpit,  GHI just learned to use it with great skill , why penalize someone for getting good at a plane, who's next Grizz and his 262,  you say SA is one of the key parameters, in real life the bombers had voice comms from their Crew members and could call out enemy planes incoming, we don't have that in bombers only F3 to look around outside the plane, i use it for spotting incoming enemy then go to that gun postion, if it ain't broke don't fix it

I agree with you however, the IL2 is flown as a fighter and not as a bomber.  So, even though bombers had coms and gunners watching, they did not have gunners helping the pilot aim when the bad guy would normally be in a blind spot.  That is the complain about the IL2.

Also, having F3 in a place called the dueling arena is ridiculous.  There is the TA for training if that is the reason for having it on.

[doc1kelley]

are you sure it was the Mossie?  IIRC, the Mossie in AW was unarmed and could only lug bombs.

ack-ack

Hmmm... I could have sworn it was a mossie that old PUMAR was using to pound Doody and RaUmL consistantly.  Memory is quite fuzzy now about some of the AW days as I'm getting older than dirt but I knew it was a 2 engine aircraft and it wasn't the Vader or the 110 or the P-38.  Wished my old HD's that had AW on them hadn't died years ago.  I can remember some parts of AW like I was still there but there is a hole missing from the entire picture from early 1999 until 2000.  I suffered a massive skull fracture in 2/99 and a bunch of that time is still a blank.  I still think he was using a skeeter with guns though. hehhee  Maybe it's my imagination but I do know that he was always pounding those two badly. roflol

All the Best...

   Jay

PS.. Ackack, you used to fly with 7Son, whatever happened to him?  He didn't migrate here did he?