How F3 can improve shooting

[lyric1]

I was just playing devil's advocate.  I don't see why one Mossie should have F3 and the other one not have it.  Why would a dedicated bomber with no gunners have it?  My point about the 110 is; it has a tail gunner, which seems to be a factor in if a plane has F3.  But it doesn't because it has no bomber mode, even though it carries more ord than an IL-2.  

You need to ask HTC staff then. I did not make the rules in AHII.

[lyric1]

The solution is simple. make it On bomber type aircraft you can view in F3. But not be able to shoot or drop bombs. They can use the same type SA that AW had. little icons at the edge of the screens to let you know if someone else was near you and roughly where

I would not take issue with any of these ideas. I don't & can't shoot in F3 mode & never have bombed in F3 mode.

[DREDIOCK]

I would not take issue with any of these ideas. I don't & can't shoot in F3 mode & never have bombed in F3 mode.

Nor do/can I

But Im for anything that takes away some of the arcadishness thats been encroaching its way into the game.
And F3 is another reason for me not to frequent the Da. Other then the other reason is that its no longer a DA.

[Vinkman]

no.

most bombers have f3 mode to make up for the fact that in ww2, you had multiple ppl watching all diff sides at all times. f3 mode is the only way to properly replicate that. any plane that consists of more than 1 pilot deserves to have f3 mode. you guys want realism? f3 is as close to it as we can get when it comes to multiple points of view. and it shouldnt be disabled in DA because sometimes its just fun to fly in f3 mode, and look at your plane, and admire the skin.

if your angry about "ppl flying in f3 mode" then stay in the MA. where fighters cant go into f3 mode.

and we have ALOT worse problems in DA than flying in f3 mode, like the HO'ing,picking,spitdweebs, HOing temps,vultchers,chatbox whiners,etc. i see f3 mode at the bottom of the list of problems in there.

No {your words]  you can change position if you want to look behind you.

[dedalos]

I have never used F3 mode for bombing GV's just have had no need to do that I guess I just have my aiming points down from the pilots seat. How ever I still would not disable F3 mode in the main arena.

Why? From what I recall we have F3 mode on some of these aircraft is because the actual aircraft was manned by more than one crewmen & this gave the pilot more eyes in the sky to see what was about. Until there is a way to see behind you better or we have auto crewmen that warn you or you can get a gunner with you every flight than the examples shown from the pilots seat F3 mode is here to stay.

A20.

No one is asking to disable the buffs.  Only the ones that are flown as fighters.  Glad to see you think we are a minority crowd though.  I see a lot of people here asking for it to stay on and they do explain their position very well.   

[lyric1]

No one is asking to disable the buffs.  Only the ones that are flown as fighters.  Glad to see you think we are a minority crowd though.  I see a lot of people here asking for it to stay on and they do explain their position very well.   

I thought we had nothing more to say to each other on this issue? So who decides what gets flown as fighters then?

[waystin2]

So who decides what gets flown as fighters then?

The players of course Sir!

[lyric1]

The players of course Sir!

Start listing them here then.

[Tyrannis]

No {your words]  you can change position if you want to look behind you.

No
(in my own words again) that wouldnt be the same as haveing multiple points of views at the same time.


like i said, any plane with more than 1 pilot or gunners deserves f3 mode, because those other pilots/gunners would be constantly looking around. watching out for aircraft and gvs' alike.

changing from the cocpit to a gun postion THEN looking around wouldnt be the same, cus you still have a limited 1 person point of view nomatter what part of the plane your in.

example: your in a b17. your in the ball turret. scanning for gvs. when suddenly you get bounced by an 109 and get shot down.

YOU didnt see the 109 above you, because YOU are the only one in the bomber, and you were in the ball turret, where you only had a limited 1 person point of view of the bottom of the plane, and some of the sides.

but in reality. you would of have the top gunners. and the side gunners,(every gunner actually) scanning the skies and ground. the top gunner would of seen the 109 and alerted you.

the only way to actually fully replicate that would be to load up the bomber with how many players there was gunners in that aircraft. but i dout 7 ppl wanna load up in a b25 and do milk runs all day. so f3 mode is still the best way to replicate full line of sight on all sides.


but sence everyone here seems determined to get rid of f3 mode, i'll issure my own compromise.


what if bombers,and fighters that had more than 1 pilot, had a warning system? similier to "check 6!" but instead it would be the gunners/co-pilot warning the pilot of an incoming plane?

example: use the gunners in the bomber as "spotters" there line of sight would have a range of 3k. and once a fighter or anything came within 3k range of that side of the gunner, the gunner would call out warning you of the fighter. so you can jump into that gun.

like take the b17 i mentioned early. your flying along in the cocpit, no f3 mode. the computer "gunners" would be scanning the skies from there postion. then here comes the up top. once that 109 got within 3k of the bomber, the top gunner would warn you about it. it could be spoken verbily to you like the check6 is. and it would show up in your chatbox like this:"check top turrent! enemy aircraft!". then once he's warned you of the enemies presence, you can hop into the top turret and defend yourself.

i wouldnt mind loosing f3 mode if this^ way was implimented into the game.

[dedalos]

I thought we had nothing more to say to each other on this issue? So who decides what gets flown as fighters then?

   There is a reason you are arguing for it to stay on.  Not only you use the easy mode, you are probably depended on it.  I rarely go after GVs, but when I do, I am in an IL2 in F3 mode strafing them.  Its is so match easier to aim and see them.  You know, like in real life where my tail gunner would be helping me aim at the GV 

No film though, so just ignore me 

[waystin2]

Start listing them here then.

I was not being a smarty Lyric.  Sometimes folks up a bomber and use it as a fighter.  So the players decide.  I get the gist of your question though, and in the end it's HTC who decides.

[lyric1]

I was not being a smarty Lyric.  Sometimes folks up a bomber and use it as a fighter.  So the players decide.  I get the gist of your question though, and in the end it's HTC who decides.

Did not perceive you to being a smarty I was serious. Fair enough on your answer.  

[Shuffler]

Shooting in f3 mode is just a crutch. I wish it was removed from the DA.

It has a place in the training arena only.

They should remove it and the score in the DA. There are no reasons for either.

[68ZooM]

just a quick question, how many years have we ALL had access to use F3 mode?  all of us have had access, it's there to use or not use, now why all of a sudden is this a big deal, after all these years, 2 threads on this subject first one was because he got owned by a IL2, big deal it happens to alot of people ( me included) but i learned how to deal with IL2's, i don't understand why after all this time F3 is all of a sudden a bigdeal 

[DrBone1]

just a quick question, how many years have we ALL had access to use F3 mode?  all of us have had access, it's there to use or not use, now why all of a sudden is this a big deal, after all these years, 2 threads on this subject first one was because he got owned by a IL2,

maybe some dont wanna give up the only way the can shoot ?