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Offline Chilli

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Re: NEW CAPTURE SYSTEM IS BULLCRAP!!!
« Reply #90 on: December 20, 2010, 01:01:04 PM »
 :aok Sunbat.

I was all set, in ankle humping position  :x ..... then .......  :O the arena changed  :rofl 

I have been there so, excellent post  :D

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Re: NEW CAPTURE SYSTEM IS BULLCRAP!!!
« Reply #91 on: December 20, 2010, 01:14:05 PM »
 :old: i like new system more base captures more fun. Its only easy if not defenders, i more then a few time saw an incoming horde and either took off from a near by base to intercept of if there was time scrambled to meet them. even though town is easy to take down, that doesnt make it any easier to take a base that has at least one decent pilot defending. killing goons and m3 will a 262 will always stop any horde in its tracks

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« Reply #92 on: December 20, 2010, 01:45:50 PM »
1 M4 with rockets take done certain % till white flag appears, despawn grab a M3 drive fast, you just captured a town......... seriously?   :rofl   Chuck Norris would be proud,
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« Reply #93 on: December 20, 2010, 01:59:28 PM »
I think having it easy is better.  It gives the war-winners hope for taking a base that normally would be out of the question and therefore perpetuates a good fight.  Last night in Orange between A4 and A6 was a good example.  The bish were defending the heck out of A6 and ghi and his crew of IL-2’s and many many other players were upping to defend.  In the past, once that kind of resistance showed up the war-winners would have moved elsewhere, but not last night.  All of the little generals were sure that we could get that base.  They were barking out commands and rallying the troops just like a real live Hollywood General.  One of them even pointed out, “We have superior fighters here guys, there is no reason why we can’t get this.  We are not superior in numbers but we are superior in skill.”  (I was pretty sure he was talking about me.) The battle raged on for hours and hours and that flag changed from white to blue over and over.  I would go so far as to that if the AH Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will still say, 'This was their finest hour.' 

Then the arena changed. 


We were trying to take it?

I thought it was just a furball/gv battle.


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« Reply #94 on: December 20, 2010, 02:40:15 PM »
People sure seem to be throwing these "battle" and "combat" words around a lot. There is no battle. Example: Before, a certain MW squad would do nothing late night but roll undefended bases. I'd log and and be the only Rook on and I'd go to the base with the flashing red icon and the fat dar bar. Now I know I'm not gonna be able to stop the capture most of the time, but they had to deal with me before they could roll the base. I could keep just enough pressure on the GVs that they had to divide their efforts and send air units to take me down. Nice, it involved actually fighting. I managed to actually chase them off occasionally and they'd lamely move to attacking the other country. The point is, it actually required some effort to take even an undefended base 'cause you had to manage all the little out-buildings before you cold roll in. Now, a few passes with a 110, a set of lanc-stukas, and roll M3s till the sun rises. No fighting, no effort, no skill, no real planning, just rolling the base. Now, If I log on and nothing but base rolling is happening, I log off. What's the point? No one wants to actually fight, they just want to take out the undefended bases. Now they don't even need to worry about resistance because it is, indeed, futile.

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« Reply #95 on: December 20, 2010, 02:48:11 PM »
Am I missing something here?

Do the bases still flash when under attack?

How do bases get "rolled" when they are flashing and the next base in line for attack should be very obvious.

And if they switch bases that are being attacked,shouldn't they be flashing also??

It would seem that its the same old same old, nobody wants to defend against them, but will complain about not being able to find a fight!  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #96 on: December 20, 2010, 02:59:01 PM »
People sure seem to be throwing these "battle" and "combat" words around a lot. There is no battle. Example: Before, a certain MW squad would do nothing late night but roll undefended bases. I'd log and and be the only Rook on and I'd go to the base with the flashing red icon and the fat dar bar. Now I know I'm not gonna be able to stop the capture most of the time, but they had to deal with me before they could roll the base. I could keep just enough pressure on the GVs that they had to divide their efforts and send air units to take me down. Nice, it involved actually fighting. I managed to actually chase them off occasionally and they'd lamely move to attacking the other country. The point is, it actually required some effort to take even an undefended base 'cause you had to manage all the little out-buildings before you cold roll in. Now, a few passes with a 110, a set of lanc-stukas, and roll M3s till the sun rises. No fighting, no effort, no skill, no real planning, just rolling the base. Now, If I log on and nothing but base rolling is happening, I log off. What's the point? No one wants to actually fight, they just want to take out the undefended bases. Now they don't even need to worry about resistance because it is, indeed, futile.


Not a lot you can do when a squad decides to take over early or mid war when no one else is on. You have two choices become a minor irritant or get out of the way. Sorry but that is just how it is.

I would post a request in the wish forums for adjustments in the early war arenas. It is about the best shot your going to get.

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Re: NEW CAPTURE SYSTEM IS BULLCRAP!!!
« Reply #97 on: December 20, 2010, 05:17:54 PM »
yea was fun yesterday...took a base then ran a fightersweep of brewsters into a6...was a blast.. :salute

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« Reply #98 on: December 21, 2010, 02:44:37 AM »
People sure seem to be throwing these "battle" and "combat" words around a lot. There is no battle. Example: Before, a certain MW squad would do nothing late night but roll undefended bases. (...) ? No one wants to actually fight, they just want to take out the undefended bases. Now they don't even need to worry about resistance because it is, indeed, futile.

Yet the most recent change still  brings back some action to EW. Not only base captures, but also a lot more of fights, being visible in a sharp increase of kills&deaths being made in the arena.
EW had traditionally low numbers, but after the bigger towns were introduced, both player numbers as well as kills being made plummeted to the bottom. Since the new 50% rule was introduced, the number of kills in that arena has increased very significantly again - relatively spoken.

Which doesn't mean EW hasn't a lot of issues anymore... ;)
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« Reply #99 on: December 21, 2010, 02:49:07 AM »
:cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :cry :bolt:

There he is. My main man. Taking bases is easy mode now huh? Jets still kill Jugs my friend.


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« Reply #100 on: December 21, 2010, 06:42:03 AM »
Am I missing something here?

Do the bases still flash when under attack?

How do bases get "rolled" when they are flashing and the next base in line for attack should be very obvious.

And if they switch bases that are being attacked,shouldn't they be flashing also??

It would seem that its the same old same old, nobody wants to defend against them, but will complain about not being able to find a fight!  :rolleyes:

I'll up to defend. but if nobody else shows up I just go and find something else, or log off. 1 V 20 is fun for all of about 1 fight.
Also. what are people supposed to do? Bail out of the flight they are currently in to go and run to try and save a base thats probobly already going to be capped by the time they get there?

Your also forgetting to mention that often these hordes take place off the beaten path or out of the range where most will have their map set at to see the base flashing. Dunno about you but most of the time I have my map set to a few sectors ranging from a little past where Im comming from. to a little past where Im going to. Only occasionally scanning the rest of the map to see whats going on elsewhere (Looking for flashing bases) Often. by the time you notice a base flashing then react to it. If its a horde its already too late.

c'mon. its not like these hordewarriors go to where people might defend. but rather where they are least likely to be noticed till its already too late
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« Reply #101 on: December 21, 2010, 06:45:50 AM »
In the off hours arena on Sunday alone, I watched repeated waves of Bish missions going into a few Knit bases.  As each mission is posted there are calls of "need more, need more".  Mission rolls ... watch out of corner of my eye ... in awhile more green dots up in congo line from mission launch base, soon ... "need more goons" ... finally planner announces "it's a bust ... MISSION UP".

New target in sight, the cheerleaders and pom pom swirlers spam country channel ... again.

Many attempts, none successful.  They even lost A27 as one of their launch bases after an un-successful attempt.  Well, they might have gotten one eventually if memory serves, A45 I think ...

There are times when depending who is on and participating, the thing works.  There are a lot of times when it flat out doesn't and a horde does not guarantee much other than the noise level escalating from those on both sides of the fence.  ;-)




Then I'd have to say that what you witnessed was a group of completely inept players LOL
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« Reply #102 on: December 21, 2010, 07:34:47 AM »
About the new capture system. Last night in LW Blue I was helping defend A199 from an attemped noe sneak. We killed 2 ...maybe 3 goons. During this time I would guess that 6 or 7 troops did make it into the maproom while the flag was white. We ran off the invaders and soon we had one of our guys camped by the maproom in a GV waiting for the town to pop or more troops.

Well after a while they didn't come back and the town started to pop and the flag turned to red again. I flew over the town to confirm that the flag was indeed red and the town was popping. I relayed this the our GV guy and he towered out and I proceeded to land. As I was about to land someone yelled goon over town. He was shot down but I was too far away to see any troops dropping. Also there was no GV spawn so no M3s were a factor.

Anyway, the base was captured by this last goon. I don't understand how the base could be taken if the flag was red when the last goon dropped his troops. Is this a bug or is there something about the new capture system that I'm not getting?  :headscratch:
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« Reply #103 on: December 21, 2010, 08:03:17 AM »
I was the goon who ended up capturing 199, I noticed red flag, but dropped troops anyway as I was getting shot down
few seconds later got the capture, we were as surprised as you

All the town ack and alot of buildings were down, but it was clearly a red flag
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« Reply #104 on: December 21, 2010, 08:06:18 AM »
We do have a bug forum for that... ;)
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