maybe I need to spit out Deds hook but he caught me good.......The LA is a great plane that is awesome to fight against the hourd, why you and others dont like it I just cant understand, I dont fly it as often as I used to,I was enjoying the KI84.... you being a vet should know there are No dweeb planes just dweeb sticks, any "vet" who doesnt realize that is well just a dweeb himself....and never before have I thought of you like that.....once again I say THERE ARE NO DWEEB PLANES JUST DWEEB STICKS.....PERIOD Oak I didnt mean it was impossable to compress just hard to get it to.....and like Kar said Ive never augerd the LA ether and I do use flaps get it low and slow and have out manouvered zero's on the deck.....again you fight the stick not so much the plane.