Explanation to what i saw

[jamusta]

The ava used to be a great place to fly. I started flying around 2002 in there. Some years ago it went into decay. My only goal is to give the best fight i can. The settings dont bother me at all. I dont mind you and your squad flying together using wingman tactics. 1 v 1 great. 2 v1 i still had a good time. 3 v1 well hey maybe lone picker. 4 v 1 wth. 5 v1 ok thats just crazy. What I dont get is how is that fun for you? With icons off that is an impossible situation. I mean c'mon.. Do you want a good fight or do you just want the kill? If you just want to kill relinquish the ava and go to the da.

[Chilli]

Jamusta,

I am as guilty as anyone.  I will step up and admit that when I am working well with a group of wingmen, against multiple targets I am at the height of my online enjoyment.  I blame Puma, (JUST KIDDING).

It is a thing of beauty to see Puma and Jappa do there thing.  Flip back a few months and look at some of their screen shots, you will see how tight they fly. 

What I can say, is that sometimes you do get to be the windshield. 

Another suggestion, try and convince your fellow countrymen to "FLY SMART".   Check the dar, dots are made apparent for a reason in the arena.  If you have 3 enemy cons grouped in a sector, circle your wagons.   What I see time after time, is even numbers on the roster, and one country getting picked off one at a time.  What begins even, will quickly end heavily outnumbered.  I try and communicate my intentions to my countrymen, "going left..... he's past me and going up".  "I have two cons my high 2 oclock, I am extending left". 

With this kind of communication, and wingmen that are trying to clear your six and set up shots for you, it becomes a quick paced furball, with the results going in favor of the most innovative pilots not necessarily the best pilots or aircraft.

For example landing kills in Razorbacks, P40s, and P39 Cobras against higher performance aircraft is something that adds that historical feel to the arena.  In the Main Arena, they tried to bring in Early and Mid war aircraft only.  The problem is (I know Jimson will back me on this one), flying a F4F 4 against another F4F 4 has no tactical advantage, and really doesn't show these birds in the light in which they operated. 

[jamusta]

Just left the ava and that was how it should always be.. No more than 2 v 1 i flew by many fights. I even watched a friendly die cus he didnt answer my call if he wanted assistance. If engaged and the nme is being ganged call yourself off and find another fight. u cant control others but you can control you.

[Dichotomy]

Jam give it a few more shots.

I'm a simply horrible cartoon airplane flyer but I think this arena is the most fun.  I'll be in in about 30 minutes with a big grin on my face and doing my best to keep the pointy end going the right direction. 

I think the place has improved immensely.   

Last night was an aberration in my book. 

[Oldman731]

Jam give it a few more shots.

Jamusta is one of the Good People.  We want him here.  He had an ugly experience on his first night back, but a good experience today.  Life evens out, it will be pleasant to have him back again.

- oldman

[jamusta]

OM we go way back so i created a new thread cus i owe you that much...

[RTR]

Hey Jam, stick with it bud...the AVA needs more like you. We go back a ways too.

I'm not there as much as I wish, but it is a good group and there have been changes, some good, some bad..but it is still home.

Come back to the fold...the sheep miss you <G>

RTR

[RTR]

Gotcha there Jam....maybe we need to start a squad of all us old CT scavengers?

I'll send you an invite.

In the mean time give it a whirl <G>

RTR

[321BAR]

i honestly have to say. once im engaged against 2 or more contacts i consider it a challenge for me to overcome If i get out of it alive and hopefully with their carcasses behind me i know that my skills have improved. If i didnt, then i need to improve

[TequilaChaser]

4 v 1 wth.
 5 v1 ok thats just crazy. What I dont get is how is that fun for you? With icons off that is an impossible situation. I mean c'mon.. Do you want a good fight or do you just want the kill?

can understand why you posted what was edited/erased now.....

but if you listen to some...... you might be able to see those unidentified dots easier if you "DUMB" down your graphic settings ... drop your resolution to 1024 x 768 or 800 x 600 and turn off all the eye candy..... but when I first heard this I was thinking, why would anyone want to go back to 1995 or there abouts  game graphics???? so they can see the enemy better???? or in my opinion that is just being gamey the same as when people would turn their gama up at night time to see GV's or planes inthe air........ the whole idea of no icons for the ones who like it or demanded it was because it makes them feel more immersion.... but at least some finally came around to agreeing and admitting that no icons is no better than icons when it comes down to neither being more realistic than the other.....


as far as having a bad night, jamusta...... everyone will experience oneof those in most any arena.... and it has not been the norm to experience these actions in the AvsA that I am aware of......

I am glad oldman spoke up for you in that other thread, to let all the newer players know you might have had a legitimate gripe.....

most of the newer players that don't know you ,or don't know the older players because they have not seen them online much, or flown when they are own are quick to trash ya, and kick you and your comments in the head... because they know it all and think their watermelon don't stink.....

There is one constant that we all must abide to, or give up......... and that is we all must accept that the game and the game play changes from months to months, from year to year, from decade to decade... we either have to change with it and keep finding ways to enjoy the game and not get stuck on how it used to be... or us old salty dogs wil just become miserable and end up quitting altogether.......

and if the latter happens... then the game play and the way the current crop of players goes about things, just becomes worse over time.... for there is none of the old guard to teach and guide and mold the new comers..... or at least try to hand down good game etiquette standards......

my thoughts anyways....

give the AvsA another try, Jam..... at least check it out a few different times.....

  and welcome back

TC

[jimson]

The new AvA regulars are not necessarily a bunch of noobs, some of them have many years in AH and are just now enjoying the "somewhat rebirth" of the arena, others have come over from many years other sims.

Some, like me have only been around a couple of years and still suck quite badly. LOL

The common thread is that most are early to late middle age and have an historical interest.

Hearing something along the lines of "The AvA sucks, scrooo you guys!" immediately throws folks on the defensive, although it's quite natural to be more critical than constructive after a bad time, and I've stepped in the mud in my posts and replies many times for this reason.

Each night may not be like another and it's worth it to try it a few different times.

I had more fun on Wednesday than I did on Tuesday.

Like a squaddie of mine recently said, the arena seems to be going through some "growing pains," and that's probably better than the alternative.
 
jimson

[CAP1]

The new AvA regulars are not necessarily a bunch of noobs, some of them have many years in AH and are just now enjoying the "somewhat rebirth" of the arena, others have come over from many years other sims.

Some, like me have only been around a couple of years and still suck quite badly. LOL

The common thread is that most are early to late middle age and have an historical interest.

Hearing something along the lines of "The AvA sucks, scrooo you guys!" immediately throws folks on the defensive, although it's quite natural to be more critical than constructive after a bad time, and I've stepped in the mud in my posts and replies many times for this reason.

Each night may not be like another and it's worth it to try it a few different times.

I had more fun on Wednesday than I did on Tuesday.

Like a squaddie of mine recently said, the arena seems to be going through some "growing pains," and that's probably better than the alternative.
 
jimson

for an FYI....i'm 48, and a repair shop owner(so far with this dam economy). i've been in ah since around 2005 or so. took a 6 month break last year, as i was becoming one of the ones that spent way too much time "stirring" the pot in midwar. it wasn't fun at all.

 when i came back, i flew there quite a bit.......even went to latewar once or twice to fly with my squadies. i tried the ava one night, because even in midwar, it seemed as if all of the latewar alt monkeys, gangers, and ho'ers had come in. boring wasn't the word for that. i popped into the ava, found a fight.....which suprisingly i won, then got my bellybutton handed to me by shifty....then went and blew things up.......then lost some more fights. i'm hooked.

 the biggest thing about the lack of icons, is keeping camouflaged planes in your sight, when at low altitude. i've lost guys in turnfights, and i've lost guys the same way.
 you don't have that bright red "shoot here" banner telling you when to shoot. you have to judge the distance, or learn to use the pipper in your gunsight to judge it.

 it's a friggin blast. it brought the game back to life for me. 

[Dichotomy]

 you don't have that bright red "shoot here" banner telling you when to shoot. you have to judge the distance, or learn to use the pipper in your gunsight to judge it.

I call those 'killboards'

[TequilaChaser]

most of the newer players that don't know you ,or don't know the older players because they have not seen them online much, or flown when they are own are quick to trash ya, and kick you and your comments in the head... because they know it all and think their watermelon don't stink.....

let me correct this part of my post...... I did not mean for it to look like I was talking solely about newer people in the AvsA........

I seriously meant this for all of Aces High in all arenas

noone should take this part personal ( unless you are one of the ones that act the part )....... it is just how some of the new comers act in any arena ......

[cohofly]

The ava used to be a great place to fly. I started flying around 2002 in there. Some years ago it went into decay. My only goal is to give the best fight i can. The settings dont bother me at all. I dont mind you and your squad flying together using wingman tactics. 1 v 1 great. 2 v1 i still had a good time. 3 v1 well hey maybe lone picker. 4 v 1 wth. 5 v1 ok thats just crazy. What I dont get is how is that fun for you? With icons off that is an impossible situation. I mean c'mon.. Do you want a good fight or do you just want the kill? If you just want to kill relinquish the ava and go to the da.

I can totally understand where Jamusta is coming from. There have been nights where (it seems) Im the only one upping for my side, only to be fodder for 4-5 enemys. Once OK, Twice OK, Three times, now Im starting to not have fun, Four times and the Text Buffer will read "OK guys not having fun being ganged, Im outta here." Only to have a reply "Hang in there we are sending someone over." Too late Logged.

So not everyone is monitoring the roster to make sure things are kept even.
Just my $.02
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Carver