We're missing the point - bombers dont need to be perked

[Lusche]

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Very reasonable argumentation  

[Zoney]

Wrooooooong. I'll send you my film of me bombing from 17k in a B29 last night, my setup was perfect, my speeds were spot on, and I still ended up missing 50% of the time. Don't even ask how many bombs I wasted when I bombed from 20k.    

The higher and faster you fly leads to a greater error percentage when dropping. Being 1mph off when calibrating at 20+k and 300mph can send your bombs as far as 200-300 feet off target.



Now on to perked loadouts, this idea has merit but let me ask one question. I'm a newbie that just joined the game and I want to fly a B17. How am I going to do it if all my bombs are perked?

SIR <S> Maybe you just need a bit of practice.  I dropped from 30k all the way up to 37k.  I calibrated and kept my calibrated speed and landed 36,000 points, hitting everything I aimed at.

[dirtdart]

SIR <S> Maybe you just need a bit of practice.  I dropped from 30k all the way up to 37k.  I calibrated and kept my calibrated speed and landed 36,000 points, hitting everything I aimed at.

I landed 49,700 in a lanc once (sadly I missed once)... the lanc is not perked. 

[Kazaa]

Nothing should be perked over 200, regardless of eny. No bomber should be worth over 100 (for a formation), regardless of eny.   

I have advocated in the past that formations should only cost what the base airframe is worth.  I agree with all counterpoints to this notion in principle.  What it boils down to is time.  I would say, 150-200 of the 5000 (my guess, no bashing allowed on my guess dammit) players, have enough bomber perkies to afford flying this ride and losing more than a set or two.  Were I to lose a formation of B-29s, it would take me 3-5 months, depending on my mood, to round up enough perkies for another B-29 sortie.  I just can't let myself believe that HTC created a airframe to be used by the bulk of players 3-4 times a year (if they lose it).  (yeah yeah, dont get shot down....right.)

We all pay $xx.xx a month, regardless of how many hours we play.  The perk incentives impact on those who spend more time online is much less than their counterparts who play on weekends.  This is unsatisfactory because it benefits a specific set of clients, not the entire base of customers, who again, all pay the same amount.

My understanding is the perk system balances the planes capabilities against other aircraft.  This with the ENY provide a balance to promote more competetive fighting and to discourage folks from massing to one country with the intent of capturing the planet.  I cannot see/understand how limiting the access to bombers, to this extent, changes the game play as signficantly as with fighters.  It discourages the use of the airframe.  I have no kidding, only killed one flight of mossie 16s since they were introduced, the only flight I have seen.  The bulk of the bombers I see are lancs/24s/17s.  Would it make that significant of a difference to see a B-29 or AR-234 or Mossie 16 in similar numbers?  I think not. 

If the bombers were actually able to shape the fight in a strategic sense, then yes, because of the speed and load some should have to be perked, but they don't.  A B29, regardless of the fact it can drop 40K of ords is still not going to drop an entire town in one pass.  So, what epic game play changing capabilities do these bombers bring.  I suggest none. 

I can fly a 262 all day long and not worry about being shot down, if I am smart.  Not the case with bombers.  Those mossie 16s I shot down, I trailed in a TA-152 until they got short on gas and tried to descend after chasing them for 5 or so sectors.  In a 262, I would be in the bar before that 152 got into my sector.

Thoughts?

Win.

[moot]

I disagree with the specifics - 200 points or a bit more for a B-29 formation.  You can slip past any danger in a 262 thanks to speed, but a slower 262 wouldn't have 5 regiments' worth of defensive firepower.  Unless the B-29's flammability isn't a bug, I don't think 100 perks is enough for something so fast and well defended.  

Don't want to die to bombers?  Don't attack them straight and level from dead-six. Don't want to lose your 262?  Don't knife-fight props. Don't want to lose your B-29?  Don't fly it far below top speed or below 30k or so.

[waystin2]

Don't want to die to bombers?  Don't attack them straight and level from dead-six. Don't want to lose your 262?  Don't knife-fight props. Don't want to lose your B-29?  Don't fly it far below top speed or below 30k or so.

Moot, common sense can get you hung around here...

[Kazaa]

Moot,

It takes what, 40 mins to get the B-29 up to 30K and top speed? Doesn't sound fun to me.

Next please.

[Zoney]

I landed 49,700 in a lanc once (sadly I missed once)... the lanc is not perked. 

My B29 Sortie was one single plane, no escort, (because I am cheap).

[Kazaa]

My B29 Sortie was one single plane, no escort, (because I am cheap).

/hug

I've played AH for 6 years, I wouldn't of had enough bomber perks to take up a set of B-29's if I didn't get my 1000 perk reward from HTC.

[dirtdart]

I disagree with the specifics - 200 points or a bit more for a B-29 formation.  You can slip past any danger in a 262 thanks to speed, but a slower 262 wouldn't have 5 regiments' worth of defensive firepower.  Unless the B-29's flammability isn't a bug, I don't think 100 perks is enough for something so fast and well defended.  

Don't want to die to bombers?  Don't attack them straight and level from dead-six. Don't want to lose your 262?  Don't knife-fight props. Don't want to lose your B-29?  Don't fly it far below top speed or below 30k or so.

Moot, you are missing my point bud.  All I am saying is the impact bombers have overall is less than fighters.  This diminished impact merits lowering the cost.  That is all.  

For the record I lose my 262s to augers 90% of the time fighting on the deck (my choice) or to a HO, which I would do to a 262 given the opportunity.  

[dirtdart]

Moot, common sense can get you hung around here...

Bah... missed the point too. 

[Beefcake]

SIR <S> Maybe you just need a bit of practice.  I dropped from 30k all the way up to 37k.  I calibrated and kept my calibrated speed and landed 36,000 points, hitting everything I aimed at.

I've been flying bombers in this game for 10 years, I'm not going to get any better.  


Actually I do need practice, I was joking with my squaddies last night that I rarely fly bombers over 15k so I'm a bit rusty on high alt bombing. My main point was that at high speeds and high altitudes it only takes a small error to throw the bombs off target, at lower alts it's more forgiving.

[SEraider]

Damn it Dodger, honestly man! His head, just look at the size of his friggin head now  




JUGgler

It's big man!  

When I get off a work in a bit, I will address all your responses collectively.

[moot]

Moot,

It takes what, 40 mins to get the B-29 up to 30K and top speed? Doesn't sound fun to me.

Next please.

So what?  I don't see how that's an excuse for a free B-29, if the fire issue isn't a bug.  300 perks for a B-29 formation sounds fair to me.  100 is way too low.

All I am saying is the impact bombers have overall is less than fighters. 

I don't see how.  I'm ready to change my mind, given some evidence.  I was/am arguing specifically with Dirtdart's post.

[Kazaa]

I didn't ask for a free B-29.