I really wish they would go to a Air Warrior type HO shot!

[Yeager]

The no collision made for better fights,as you could make the merge work for you w/o worrying about getting a face full of lead.

Air Warrior  was the best around at the time,and many of it's pilots came to AH,and they brought class acts with them.

I dont think the problem is with the game Irondog.  Avoiding the HO/ram is a real challenge in AH and makes it more believable and interesting.  Compared to the absolute retardation of having HO shots disabled and being able to ram clean through your opponent without fear of being towered is so gamey and retarded that its insulting to even consider bringing that tripe to AH.

The only time AW was the "best" was when it was the "only" horse in the race.  Once WBs came on the scene AW was relegated to second fiddle.  

[LLogann]

Say it again Big Daddy!!!

I dont think the problem is with the game Irondog.  Avoiding the HO/ram is a real challenge in AH and makes it more believable and interesting.  Compared to the absolute retardation of having HO shots disabled and being able to ram clean through your opponent without fear of being towered is so gamey and retarded that its insulting to even consider bringing that tripe to AH.

I totally stand by what I said the page previous.......  When I was a nugget, I couldn't get out of the way if I wanted to...... Nowadays, as my SA evolved, I can always get out of a head-on.  (FOOTNOTE- Do not misinterpret that for meaning I won't ho you.... I will on many occasions, I just don't have to unless I want to)

[DrBone1]

I so rarely am even touched by a HO shot, even in a largely outnumbered fight.  I don't see why old vets like you and Fugitive haven't learned how to avoid them after all these years.  

I am only throwing this out here not a troll in anyway But if IronDog,and Fugitive are anything like the Vet DadsGuns I can see why you would go for the Ho shot
Only saying this because i hear all this talk of the old ways lol but yet i see the complete opposite from them

PS: Fugitive,IronDogg this was not meant towards you at all 

[The Fugitive]

I have no trouble avoiding the ho and do so VERY often.

The only problem I have with the HO is that while it's the first move everyone learns, today it also seems to be the last one they are learning.

[bangsbox]

So basically you're saying that you utterly lack any sort of skill that you need to resort to taking the head on shot?  At least someone is willing to admit they aren't very good and need to resort to taking head on shots to make up for their lack of skill.

ack-ack

in those planes more often than not i do (190a8 mossy p39d). if u see im in a 109g6 g14 or f4u i will not ho

[FLS]

ho is part of the game and collisions too.

Let's avoid to be able to fire with zoom on because this is 'unrealistic'

If your zoom is on, then you can release your bombs only.

DAMN!

 

Off topic but zoomed all the way in is normal vision. The problem is that the field of view for normal vision is too narrow on an average monitor so we default to an unnatural wider angle view.

[Krusty]

Off topic but zoomed all the way in is normal vision. The problem is that the field of view for normal vision is too narrow on an average monitor so we default to an unnatural wider angle view.

Point of order: Max zoom gives you about the same amount of DETAIL as normal vision... Only you only get that detail for one micro-fraction of your field of view. It really isn't comaparable. EDIT: I mean it isn't comparable to the comment above about no firiing when zoomed...

[FLS]

LOL!  I'm sure guys like RAGS and Krieg really worked for those kills in AW.

ack-ack

RAGS!   

Everything is better in AH but the people are about the same and many of us are literally the same people. 

[FLS]

Point of order: Max zoom gives you about the same amount of DETAIL as normal vision... Only you only get that detail for one micro-fraction of your field of view. It really isn't comaparable. EDIT: I mean it isn't comparable to the comment above about no firiing when zoomed...

Krusty I believe you agree with me and you agree with my disagreement with Lulu. I'm puzzled that you frame your agreement as a point of order. 

[longtime]

In WW2 pilots shot at other pilots from the 12 oclock position.
They did that because you can get a kill that way.
Why should that not work in AH?

In real life the HO shot would kill the whiner.

[Westy]

"Compared to the absolute retardation of having HO shots disabled and
being able to ram clean through your opponent without fear of being
towered is so gamey and retarded that its insulting to even consider
bringing that tripe to AH."

That is worth repeating a hundred times.  



And what would be next. Eliminate stalling?  Collisions?

Oh joy.

[Krusty]

Krusty I believe you agree with me and you agree with my disagreement with Lulu. I'm puzzled that you frame your agreement as a point of order. 

I do agree. However to clarify your statement I was countering that while you're right, it's not quite as good as human vision (the detail would be visible with a wide angle of peripheral vision still remaining). It's not "normal vision" -- it's comparable to the amount of details you would see in normal vision, without having to narrow down the focus.

Minor point, but a point nonetheless.

[Oldman731]

In WW2 pilots shot at other pilots from the 12 oclock position.
They did that because you can get a kill that way.
Why should that not work in AH?

In real life the HO shot would kill the whiner.

Because this is not real life. I'm with Filth. Not allowing HOs to be effective forces people to maneuver and fight, at least to a greater extent (you'll always have the b&z and pickets).

 -oldman

[Krusty]

It's just as artificial to make front-quarter shots have no effect as it would be to make tail shots have no effect, or "top" shots (anywhere from top down) have no effect.

You cannot defend that one. Period. It's the worst kind of gamey. Just because it happens to (in your description) lead to better gameplay -- which you cannot prove nor disprove and is totally subjective -- doesn't negate the terrible nature of the matter.

[FLS]

I do agree. However to clarify your statement I was countering that while you're right, it's not quite as good as human vision (the detail would be visible with a wide angle of peripheral vision still remaining). It's not "normal vision" -- it's comparable to the amount of details you would see in normal vision, without having to narrow down the focus.

Minor point, but a point nonetheless.

I agree but I had made that same point already, hence my confusion. I meant that it was normal vision in the sense that, given the proper distance from the eye for the monitor size, it would be like looking through a window. Lulu makes the common mis-perception that it's telescope vision.