Bf109 F-2

[Raphael]

Im probably the only one that is going to use this ): but it would be SOOOO awesome to have the 109F2 in the early war with its tiny 15mm cannon.
pretty please?

[Pigslilspaz]

+1 for any variant.

[Raphael]

ill throw in the wish the 109 E-7N too

[Noir]

having the 15mm cannon in any variant would be nice.

[iron650]

+1 for any variant.

My thoughts the same. 

[Krusty]

F2 would be mostly useless... Pretty identical to the F4 except the gun.

The E-7 would be a much better and more distinct version to have. It would also fill a hole for those post-BOB scenarios and setups.

[Raphael]

well i guess the F2 would be more suitable for events evolving the old JG52 and Romania missions, and that should even bring the awesome IAR too 

[Raphael]

post-BOB

I dont know if they did it rigth on wikipedia, but its written there that they even had some models of the F1 while in the BoB. just saying

[Krusty]

That's wrong.

[Debrody]

The F-2 wouldnt require so much 3D modelling.
Also i would bet there were some Fritzes in ths late BoB

[Krusty]

Nope. BOB had the E-1, E-3, and E-4. The E-4 was the main frontrunner for a while. It was later developed into the E-4/z adn E-4N with more horsepower and some with GM-1 boost for high alts.

This gave way to the E-7 and later the E-7/z or E-7N (I forget which was more common) with higher performance. I believe this had the same engine as the early 109F-2, but would have to look it up.


EDIT: Not to confuse the issue with TESTING and development, though. The 109F-0 preproduction prototype flew in late 1940. But this was not in combat and the F1 didn't see service til 1941. F-2 listed as first starting front-line service around April 1941

[Debrody]

When did the BoB ended? Early to mid '41?   "A handful of Bf 109Fs were used late in the Battle of Britain in 1940, but the variant only came into wide use in the first half of 1941"
" A total of 208 F-1s were built between August 1940 and February 1941 by Messerschmitt Regensburg and the Wiener Neustädter Flugzeugwerke"
" The most experienced fighter aces like Werner Mölders were the first ones to fly the first Bf 109 F-1s in combat in October 1940."
So the F appeared in very late '40, and it became widely used in early '41. One year after the end of the BoB (mid-42) there were alredy G-2s in front service.

Edit: true, during the main period of the BoB, '40 late summer-october, the squadrons were equipped with Emils.
Also the F-2 was equipped with the 1150Hp DB601N while the F-4 had the 1350Hp DB601E.

[Krusty]

Depends on your definition of BOB... I tried to suggest it lasted longer once on these forums and got blasted for it. In here they adhere strictly to the climactic battle, and that's it.

So by the general forums' standard, "no 109F" but... in that general time, in that general area, "sure, in small numbers"

I know that JG2 was doing the lion's share of spitfire mkV killing over the channel in 109F2s. I read about it and did a skin for one of their planes. They were wiping out many spits but the RAF was overwhelming them with attrition and numbers.


Personally, I don't think folks would use the MG151/15. It's barely more powerful than a single MG131. Slightly more HE, granted, but still sub-par. The ammo would also be limited.

It would be like the 1x 12.7mm option on the I-16. Nobody uses it. I have and usually run out of ammo before getting a kill (and I'm a decent shot, I suppose!)

EDIT: Anybody know what the ammo load was for the 15mm?

As a side comment: Considering it had the same engine as a 109E-4N and worse guns, I think folks might like an E-7 that had a DT, bomb rack, perhaps 90-rd ammo cans, and increased horsepower.

[Raphael]

probably wrong then but this is what i found in the wiki
"...The F-1 first saw action in the Battle of Britain in October 1940 with JG 51..."

[Raphael]

I guess i should change the wish to E7 then, the one with droptanks and better engine. i guess it was Z?