« previous next »
Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Down

Author Topic: ki27  (Read 1220 times)

Offline gyrene81

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11629
Re: ki27
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2011, 02:42:13 PM »
Quote from: JUGgler on May 26, 2011, 02:25:53 PM
Why?


JUGgler
:headscratch:  why not? could be a good trend if birds that were common in the actual early war years got included...imagine the time shift for early war and mid war...not to mention special events without "substitute"
Logged
jarhed  
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett

Offline Karnak

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23047
Re: ki27
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2011, 02:42:33 PM »
Quote from: Butcher on May 26, 2011, 02:32:42 PM
How would a Ki-100 be a hanger queen? Given the sorties flown in a Ki-84 and N1k-2 I would believe the Ki-100 being superior to both aircraft would actually get around the same amount of sorties if not somewhere in the middle.
Ki-100 was not superior to either the Ki-84 or the N1K2-J in anything other than reliability.
Logged
Petals floating by,
      Drift through my woman's hand,
             As she remembers me-

Offline gyrene81

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11629
Re: ki27
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2011, 02:46:13 PM »
Quote from: MachFly on May 26, 2011, 02:40:24 PM
Ki-84s and Nikis are not flown that much, I see two or three a day. ...<snip>
really?   :headscratch:

current tour stats so far
             Kills    Deaths
Ki-84-Ia  5156   3727     1.38
N1K2      6735    5750     1.17

takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...
Logged
jarhed  
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett

Offline Tyrannis

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3931
Re: ki27
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2011, 03:15:15 PM »
give us the peashooter first.  :noid
Logged

Offline gyrene81

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11629
Re: ki27
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2011, 03:41:37 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 26, 2011, 02:42:33 PM
Ki-100 was not superior to either the Ki-84 or the N1K2-J in anything other than reliability.
depends on the resource but...in general, the ki-100 had a max speed 2mph slower than the ki-84 and 9mph slower than the n1k2-j...service ceiling on the ki-100 was 36,100, ki-84 - 36,100, n1k2-j - 35,500...range was fairly good too, ki-100 - 1,243, ki-84 - 1025, n1k2-j 1,066...internal fuel only...not bad considering the fact that it was culled together and not originally designed that way.
Logged
jarhed  
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett

Offline Butcher

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5323
Re: ki27
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2011, 03:52:07 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
really?   :headscratch:

current tour stats so far
             Kills    Deaths
Ki-84-Ia  5156   3727     1.38
N1K2      6735    5750     1.17

takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...

I actually looked at Lusche's pie chart for the entire 2010 year, seems N1K was way up there and Ki84 was in the middle of the pack with rest of 15-20 eny aircraft.
Logged
JG 52

Offline icepac

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6999
Re: ki27
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2011, 05:10:23 PM »
I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.
Logged

Offline Tyrannis

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3931
Re: ki27
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2011, 05:31:28 PM »
Quote from: icepac on May 26, 2011, 05:10:23 PM
I think adding the ki27 would be required before any discussion of the p63 since the only references in combat of the p63 states a ki27 shot down.
...the p63 king cobra? where did that plane get pulled into this discussion from?  :headscratch:
Logged

Offline HighTone

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1299
      • Squad Site
Re: ki27
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2011, 06:25:15 PM »
Quote from: Butcher on May 26, 2011, 01:52:18 PM
Possibly added, however it would be so far down in my list I would rather have Ki-100, Ki-45 or Ki-102, Ki-44, Ki-43 before the Ki-27.
At least in the LWA the Ki-100 and Ki-102 would have a chance.


I also think the Ki-44 would stand up pretty good in the LWA as well.


I love the Japanese planes and fly mostly only them. As much as I hate to be against any wish for any Japanese plane, this one is tough. It wouldn't get much MA use after a while, Special events....well....I'd kinda like to stick to the A6M2 substitute or the Ki-43 as a sub (when we get it) for that plane just for the boost in gun package we get over the Ki-27. But yea, it would get less MA and special events use than the I-16.



But its Japanese plane so +1
Logged

LCA Special Events CO     LCA ~Tainan Kokutai~       
www.lcasquadron.org      Thanks for the Oscar HTC

Offline Karnak

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23047
Re: ki27
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2011, 07:56:28 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 03:41:37 PM
depends on the resource but...in general, the ki-100 had a max speed 2mph slower than the ki-84 and 9mph slower than the n1k2-j...service ceiling on the ki-100 was 36,100, ki-84 - 36,100, n1k2-j - 35,500...range was fairly good too, ki-100 - 1,243, ki-84 - 1025, n1k2-j 1,066...internal fuel only...not bad considering the fact that it was culled together and not originally designed that way.
So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J.  How does that work?
Logged
Petals floating by,
      Drift through my woman's hand,
             As she remembers me-

Offline MachFly

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 6296
Re: ki27
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2011, 08:43:10 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 02:46:13 PM
really?   :headscratch:

current tour stats so far
             Kills    Deaths
Ki-84-Ia  5156   3727     1.38
N1K2      6735    5750     1.17

takes more than 1 or 2 a day to rack up those kind of numbers...

I did not say they are flown 1 or 2 times a day, I said that I see 1 or 2 a day. I can't possibly see every single airplane in both arenas.
Logged
"Now, if I had to make the choice of one fighter aircraft above all the others...it would be, without any doubt, the world's greatest propeller driven flying machine - the magnificent and immortal Spitfire."
Lt. Col. William R. Dunn
flew Spitfires, Hurricanes, P-51s, P-47s, and F-4s

Offline Butcher

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5323
Re: ki27
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2011, 08:58:43 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 26, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J.  How does that work?

I'm not touching the Ki-100s stats, from the various books I got I wouldn't know which one is more accurate.  However here is my best guess -
Mph: 360
Climb rate: 2830
Max Alt: 36090
Far as turn radius - my best guess is slightly wider then a N1k, smaller then Ki-84

Pair of 20mm Ho-5 Cannons in wings, 12.7mm Ho-103 MG in the nose, capable of carrying a pair of 250kg GP Bombs or pair of 200 liter Drop tanks.
Logged
JG 52

Offline gyrene81

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11629
Re: ki27
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2011, 09:12:59 PM »
Quote from: Karnak on May 26, 2011, 07:56:28 PM
So, according to you the Ki-100 is 2mph slower than the 392mph Ki-84 and 9mph slower than the 369mph N1K2-J.  How does that work?
i mixed the numbers of course...duh  :rolleyes:  i've seen you do worse...  :neener:
Logged
jarhed  
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett

Offline Karnak

  • Radioactive Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 23047
Re: ki27
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2011, 11:24:43 PM »
Quote from: gyrene81 on May 26, 2011, 09:12:59 PM
i mixed the numbers of course...duh  :rolleyes:  i've seen you do worse...  :neener:
Even if you reverse the numbers it still doesn't make sense.  Something 9mph slower than the Ki-84 would not be 2mph slower than the N1K2-J, it would be 14mph faster.

The Ki-100 would perform very, very similarly to the Ki-61 we have in AH, fyi.
Logged
Petals floating by,
      Drift through my woman's hand,
             As she remembers me-

Offline gyrene81

  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 11629
Re: ki27
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2011, 07:49:51 AM »
ya you're right karnak, thank you for the correction...  :salute


the ki-61-1 top top level speed (depending on source) ~350-368mph
the ki-100 (depending on source) 367-372mph
ki-84-1a (depending on source) 388-412mph
n1k2-j (depending on source) 363-370mph


the ki-84 numbers are a real head scratcher...had to do a lot of digging...2 different production engine possibilities and some discrepancies with fuel grades.
Logged
jarhed  
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day...
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life. - Terry Pratchett
Pages: 1 [2] 3   Go Up
« previous next »